From dpb@cs.brown.edu Mon Sep 30 14:59:28 2002
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:59:28 -0400
From: Don Blaheta <dpb@cs.brown.edu>
To: "Neil T. Krasovec" <neilk@imsa.edu>
Subject: Re: Online dip game
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Quoth Neil T. Krasovec:
> The game just filled -- you're the seventh.

Funny.  I sent that before finishing reading jarf, then I got further
along to the part where you posted that the game was full, and was just
about to mail you a "nevermind then" when I got this message.  Ha, I
love how fast life in =jarf.

Are you going to be posting maps online, by the way?

> Do you have a list of country preferences?

Turkey
Russia
Austria
Italy
England
France
Germany

-- 
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To: Don Blaheta <dpb@cs.brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Online dip game
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The game just filled -- you're the seventh.  Do you have a list of country 
preferences?



On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Don Blaheta wrote:

> /* Written 10:01 am  Sep 30, 2002 by neilk in =alt.jarf */ 
> I'm thinking about starting up another online game...
> /* End of text from =alt.jarf */ 
> 
> I'd be interested, as long as Don Ford isn't permitted to play. :P  I
> slightly prefer a blind game, but non-blind is ok too.
> 
> By the way, did you have any idea who the other players were in that
> last game?
> 
> 


From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 16:27:24 2002
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From: Don Blaheta <dwarf@imsa.edu>
To: neilk@imsa.edu
Subject: From Turkey to Russia
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Greetings to the Czar of the great Russian Empire!  The Ottoman Empire
wishes to discuss some imminent actions along our shared border.

In particular, we would like to propose military exercises in the Black
Sea: a joint training mission for our navies, yours in Sevastopol and
ours in Ankara, to hone their skills.  This will, of course, render them
unusable for other pursuits during that time, but this is not in itself
a problem, we feel.

There is also the matter of the disposition of the Balkan territories.
It is certainly our right--our manifest destiny, as the Americans would
say--to expand into Bulgaria.  We assume that you agree?

From dpb Mon Sep 30 16:33:54 2002
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Greetings to the Dual Monarch of the Austro-Hungarian Empire!  The
Ottoman Empire wishes to discuss some matters relating to our shared
border.  Namely, the Balkan States.

Obviously, we will wish to lay claim to the puppet kingdom of Bulgaria,
much as you will presumably feel the right to take Serbia.  But what of
Greece?  The Turkish people could at least make it difficult for you to
take and keep Greece, but no, our desire is not to be antagonistic with
the friendly peoples of central Europe.  Rather, we hope to come up with
a plan that will be to our mutual benefit.  Are you interested?

From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 16:43:49 2002
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:43:49 -0400
From: Don Blaheta <dwarf@imsa.edu>
To: "Neil T. Krasovec" <neilk@imsa.edu>
Subject: Re: From Italy to Turkey
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> Please let me know which you are planning on going after: Austria or
> Russia. Naturally, I can be helpful.  We have a country between us, so
> there is no reason for us to quarrel at this early date.

Of course there is no reason to quarrel!  There is traditionally not a
great deal of contact between our peoples, but this distance makes it
easy to remain at peace, of course.

In response to your query, I will say only that I do not at this time
bear any ill will towards these countries.  I am currently in
negotiations with the Dual Monarch on the disposition of the Balkan
States, as you might expect, which I have every expectation of having a
happy outcome for all.

As for yourself, I advise you to keep a careful eye on your western
front: France will unstoppably take at least the two Iberian industrial
centers, and if he is diplomatically successful he might negotiate for
Belgium as well.  As such, it behooves you to be very cautious about
believing anything he says.  I suggest you discuss this with either
Germany or England, both of which are likely to be able to lend you some
support.

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From: "Neil T. Krasovec" <neilk@imsa.edu>
To: Don Blaheta <dpb@cs.brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Online dip game
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Yeah, I'm going to be following most of Dave's example for setting things 
up.  I might not do the colored map like he did, but I might...that was 
pretty cool.

As for the last game (you asked about that in your last email) -- I was 
trying to keep myself from guessing anyone's id.  I kept thinking you were 
France, though, 'cause you're always France.  Heh.

At the end I was convinced Joe was Russia.  Odd.

I don't know who you'll be yet, but I don't think it's France...


On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Don Blaheta wrote:

> Quoth Neil T. Krasovec:
> > The game just filled -- you're the seventh.
> 
> Funny.  I sent that before finishing reading jarf, then I got further
> along to the part where you posted that the game was full, and was just
> about to mail you a "nevermind then" when I got this message.  Ha, I
> love how fast life in =jarf.
> 
> Are you going to be posting maps online, by the way?
> 
> > Do you have a list of country preferences?
> 
> Turkey
> Russia
> Austria
> Italy
> England
> France
> Germany
> 
> 


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To: Don Blaheta <dpb@cs.brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Online dip game
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Hello!  I got your email concerning Diplomacy, and you're in the game!  If
you're not familiar with the process of online Diplomacy, here's a rough
idea of how it works: email me with your country orders, and I will
process them.  I will also forward Diplomacy from you to other players.
One of my jobs is to watch your email for any accidental slips that may
reveal your true identity.

Please, when emailing Diplomacy, include your country and the destination
country, ie. "From <my country> to <another country>."  This will make it
easier on me.

Moves are going to be due at 9pm Central on Tuesdays and Fridays.  The
first set of moves, for Spring 1901, are due on Friday, October 4th, at
9:00 Central.

Please make every effort to get moves in on time.  In the past, the
laziness of other players has degraded the game.  If you will not be able
to meet this schedule, please tell me now and I will find someone else to
play your country.

I'm going to be posting some updates to Jarf, but the main web page for
the game will be at:
        http://alumni.imsa.edu/~neilk/dip
Currently the only thing on that page is the starting board positions.
Let me know if you have any questions.

Don!  You don't get France!  You got your first choice, TURKEY.  I would 
say that you should put in a better showing than the other Don, but I know 
you'll do better than he did.  Good luck

Neil



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To eliminate any confusion, the game is now open for pre-Spring 1901
diplomacy.  This diplomacy session will last until moves are due at 9pm on
Friday.



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Please let me know which you are planning on going after: Austria or
Russia. Naturally, I can be helpful.  We have a country between us, so
there is no reason for us to quarrel at this early date.



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Regarding my previous missive:  I do not mean to suggest that those are
your only options.  However, the more information you give me, the more
helpful I can be.  The more specific your instructions, the more effective
I will be in helping you.

Thanking you in advance.







From dpb Mon Sep 30 14:42:16 2002
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:42:17 -0400
From: Don Blaheta <dpb>
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/* Written 10:01 am  Sep 30, 2002 by neilk in =alt.jarf */ 
I'm thinking about starting up another online game...
/* End of text from =alt.jarf */ 

I'd be interested, as long as Don Ford isn't permitted to play. :P  I
slightly prefer a blind game, but non-blind is ok too.

By the way, did you have any idea who the other players were in that
last game?

-- 
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VISA LA FRANCE
       Don't leave your chateau without it 

From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 17:30:08 2002
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Subject: From Turkey to Austria
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> To me it is clear that the Ottoman Empire is entitled to the state of
> Bulgaria, as we feel entitled to rule our brethren in Serbia. The
> question of Greece is one that is, perhaps, better addressed once we
> have a more mutual understanding of each other's expansion plans. For
> example, there is also the Balkan state of Rumania just sitting there.
> I am curious as to what your plans are regarding the Black Sea, and
> what discussions you have had with the Russian about it.

Ah, these matters are always so... delicate.  Rumania is such a
delectable little country, and as you said, "just sitting there."  I
have sent a letter to Russia opening a diplomatic channel, but I have
not yet received any further response.  I intend to make him think we
are friends, of course; and have recommended naval exercises this Spring
in the Black Sea--to do otherwise would be to invite his fleet to menace
my northern shore.

But his very presence in Sevastopol threatens me.  Ultimately, I will
need to project a presence into Sevastopol myself, though sadly the
Russian will probably dispute this need.

For now, though, I am mostly interested in support into Rumania.  If you
would be interested in further discussion on the fate of our neighbor to
the northeast, our ears are open and attentive.

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Greetings, Grand Sultan!

> Obviously, we will wish to lay claim to the puppet kingdom of Bulgaria,
> much as you will presumably feel the right to take Serbia.  But what of
> Greece?  The Turkish people could at least make it difficult for you to
> take and keep Greece, but no, our desire is not to be antagonistic with
> the friendly peoples of central Europe.  Rather, we hope to come up with
> a plan that will be to our mutual benefit.  Are you interested?

        To me it is clear that the Ottoman Empire is entitled to the state
of Bulgaria, as we feel entitled to rule our brethren in Serbia. The
question of Greece is one that is, perhaps, better addressed once we
have a more mutual understanding of each other's expansion plans. For
example, there is also the Balkan state of Rumania just sitting there. I
am curious as to what your plans are regarding the Black Sea, and what
discussions you have had with the Russian about it.

The Dual Monarch



From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 17:37:56 2002
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To: "Neil T. Krasovec" <neilk@imsa.edu>
Subject: From Turkey to France
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> The people of France send their greetings to Turkey!
> 
> Although we are separated by long stretches of water and two nations
> between us, it is prudent to maintain communications on the chance that we
> both survive the impending conflicts.  There is little to discuss at this
> time, but please do not hesitate to contact us should you desire anything.

Agreed.  The Sultan sends his greetings; and also a word of caution: the
Italian has already been corresponding with us.  He indicated that he
would maintain cordial relations, but would clearly be of no threat to
us.  His insinuation seemed to be that his navies would not be moving
eastward--it is possible that he meant his attention would be on
Austria, but it strikes us as more likely that he has planned to direct
his military forces westward, toward the Iberian industrial centers...
and against yourself.

It is, of course, quite possible that we have misread his intentions.
But it would indubitably be to your advantage to keep a cautious eye at
your southeastern border.


--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

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The people of France send their greetings to Turkey!

Tsar, although we are separated by long stretches of water and two nations
between us, it is prudent to maintain communications on the chance that we
both survive the impending conflicts.  There is little to discuss at this
time, but please do not hesitate to contact us should you desire anything.

France



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I haven't heard from you yet.  That worries me.  If our letters have
gotten crossed in the mail, my worries will be allayed presently.  If you
are simply too busy to reply, please let me know.






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So you think France is going to invade me?  Do you think Austria is going
to invade me?  Are you going to invade Russia?  It sounds like you are
friends with Austria.



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> So you think France is going to invade me?  Do you think Austria is going
> to invade me?  Are you going to invade Russia?  It sounds like you are
> friends with Austria.

I am exchanging correspondence with Austria, and I am exchanging
correspondence with Russia.  It would be premature to call me "friends"
with anyone.  Regarding France, I merely meant to give a bit of friendly
advice--that western power is ever strong, and naturally poses a threat
to its neighbors.  Of course, I cannot say for sure if he plans to
attack you or not, but... let us say that it always pays to be prepared.

> I haven't heard from you yet.  That worries me.  If our letters have
> gotten crossed in the mail, my worries will be allayed presently.  If you
> are simply too busy to reply, please let me know.

If you expect communication from me every hour or so, I fear you are
going to be disappointed.  Leading and administering the Ottoman Empire
is a busy job, and you should not necessarily find anything amiss in a
wait of an hour or even a day for a response to your letters.

--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

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> Agreed.  The Sultan sends his greetings; and also a word of caution: the
> Italian has already been corresponding with us.  He indicated that he
> would maintain cordial relations, but would clearly be of no threat to
> us.  His insinuation seemed to be that his navies would not be moving
> eastward--it is possible that he meant his attention would be on
> Austria, but it strikes us as more likely that he has planned to direct
> his military forces westward, toward the Iberian industrial centers...
> and against yourself.

The people of France thank the Sultan for his information and warning.
Italy has also communicated to our representatives his desire for the
supply center of Tunis.  Of course, France is not prepared, or willing, to
contest this claim.  Perhaps this is all that Italy meant concerning a
naval movement eastward.

If it is not too personal, may I inquire as to your impressions of the
Italian, and whether you have had contact with the Austrian?

France



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Ok I understand now.  I don't think France wants to invade me.  He just
wants me not to go into the Fulg of Lyon or Piedmont or North Africa or
Med.  And he promises not to go into any of those territories either.
Please let me know who you plan to invade so I can help you.





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I would like to make a solid alliance with you for the entire game.  I
would like to know what you think about this.  I read your emails and I
read the other emails from the other players and I think you are very good
at DIPLOMACY and would make a very good ally.  I will never attack you and
will share information with you if you will do the same thing for me.  I
think this will help you win the game because you will not have to worry
about Italy.






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Great Sultan,

        Yes, the Russian presence in the Black Sea certainly threatens 
you.
I, too, have no love for the Russian. As a gesture of good will, I would
be willing to support you into Rumania when the time is right, allowing
you to solidify your northern borders. In exchange, I would of course,
expect no resistance to my moving into Greece to help increase my
production capacity.

        Please let me know how this proposal impresses you.

The Dual Monarch



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To the esteemed Sultan of Turkey and his Court

The Queen of England and her son Edward would like to send their formal
greetings.  We are honored to count you among the powers of Europe in a
time of what appears to be brewing crisis.  While our territories are
separated by a great distance, we have much in common with one another. 
I hope that should fortune favor us both we may have common interests in
the future.  For now, our friendship is offered, though the distance
between us is great.

 



P.M. Gascoyne-Cecil
3rd Marquess of Salisbury
England



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England sent me this WWW site.  Maybe you can find it helpful too!

http://devel.diplom.org/Online/Openings/interactive.html





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Greetings Exalted Emperor!

I fear that I cannot agree to your joint military exercises.  The Black
Sea is crucial to the defense of Mother Russia and there will be a Russian
fleet occupying it or none.

However, we will no protest a move of yours into Bulgaria.

The Russian Bear





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> I fear that I cannot agree to your joint military exercises.  The Black
> Sea is crucial to the defense of Mother Russia and there will be a Russian
> fleet occupying it or none.

Obviously, once the joint naval exercises were completed, our respective
forces would return home.  As you might imagine, we would prefer having
no fleet in the Sea at the end of the season to having a foreign fleet
there.  Nothing personal, of course.  By committing to these exercises,
we can each guarantee that the other will not gain posession of these
waters.  Later, once we've gotten to know each other better, we can
discuss the possibility of trusting each other to stay out of the Black
Sea completely.

I eagerly await your reply.

--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

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> If it is not too personal, may I inquire as to your impressions of the
> Italian, and whether you have had contact with the Austrian?

Truth be told, I'm a little worried about the Italian.  He seems a
little too credulous and eager--so much so that I fear he is merely
trying to feign inexperience and/or incompetence and will turn out to be
a surprisingly capable foe.  Keep an eye on that one.

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> The Queen of England and her son Edward would like to send their formal
> greetings.=A0 We are honored to count you among the powers of Europe in a
> time of what appears to be brewing crisis.=A0 While our territories are
> separated by a great distance, we have much in common with one another.=A0
> I hope that should fortune favor us both we may have common interests in
> the future.=A0 For now, our friendship is offered, though the distance
> between us is great.

Friendship it is.  Glad to be of acquaintance.

--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

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>         Yes, the Russian presence in the Black Sea certainly threatens 
> you.
> I, too, have no love for the Russian. As a gesture of good will, I would
> be willing to support you into Rumania when the time is right, allowing
> you to solidify your northern borders. In exchange, I would of course,
> expect no resistance to my moving into Greece to help increase my
> production capacity.
> 
>         Please let me know how this proposal impresses you.

Perfect.

--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

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F Ank -> Bla
A Con -> Bul
A Smy -> Con

-- 
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"What's jousting? Jousting is when two guys strapped in armor charge
their horses at each other while trying to knock the holy bejeesus out
of each other with long wooden poles. Or one guy on a flying bird trying
to turn enemy birds into eggs. Depends on what generation you belong
to."						--The Self-Made Critic

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Ah, I misunderstood your first missive.  Very well, our fleets will meet
in the Black Sea and neither of us will control it.

The Russian Bear





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France thinks that I am going to invade you.  France keeps telling me that
I am going to invade you.  I am not going to invade you.  I am too far
away from you.  You will see this week that I am not going to invade you.  
I do not want you to be afraid of Italy.  You can ask any of my friends,
Austria Russia or England.  I do not want you to be angry.  France and
Austria do not know who is going to invade Black Sea.






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Why did you want to be Turkey?





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> Perfect.

        Outstanding. As a show of good faith, I will warn you that the
Russian intends to attempt a move into the Black Sea, but I'm guessing
you anticipated that.

The Dual Monarch.





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> > Perfect.
> 
>         Outstanding. As a show of good faith, I will warn you that the
> Russian intends to attempt a move into the Black Sea, but I'm guessing
> you anticipated that.

Yes.

On an unrelated note: How much communication have you had with Italy?  I
have received, to date, eight messages from himi, all but one of them
*not* in response to anything from me.  He comes across as extremely
inexperienced, but I suspect that this may be a ruse; I was wondering
if he was pulling the same act on everyone.  In any case, he strikes me
as something of a random variable, and worth watching out for.


--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:14:29 -0400
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> Why did you want to be Turkey?

Because I always play Turkey.  Why did you want to be Austria?


--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

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> On an unrelated note: How much communication have you had with Italy?  I
> have received, to date, eight messages from himi, all but one of them
> *not* in response to anything from me.  He comes across as extremely
> inexperienced, but I suspect that this may be a ruse; I was wondering
> if he was pulling the same act on everyone.  In any case, he strikes me
> as something of a random variable, and worth watching out for.

        Myself and everyone else I have discussed this with are all of the
same opinion. Given his interactions with some other nations, I am not
entirely convinced that this is a ruse, but you never know. I am
definitely wary of Italy.

The Dual Monarch




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You are confused I am Italy not Austria.





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Are you angry that I will invade Ionian?  Austria is a little angry but I
understand why.  If you are not angry then I will still invade Ionian but
if you are also angry I might move to Tyrr instead.





From dpb Thu Oct  3 11:31:47 2002
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> You are confused I am Italy not Austria.

My bad.  Why did you choose to be Italy?

> Are you angry that I will invade Ionian?  Austria is a little angry but I
> understand why.  If you are not angry then I will still invade Ionian but
> if you are also angry I might move to Tyrr instead.

I would certainly prefer that you not invade the Ionian Sea--why would
you be doing so?

From dpb Thu Oct  3 11:34:03 2002
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Did you mean to send something there?  I just got a message to
undisclosed-recipients:;, with no subject and no body.

I also got four copies of the same message from Austria.  Is your email
system working ok?


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From dpb@cs.brown.edu Thu Oct  3 11:41:19 2002
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Quoth Neil T. Krasovec:
> Hee hee.
> 
> Imsasun was having problems last night with creating files in temp space.  
> It spit back an error whenever I tried sending you that email from 
> Austria -- so I kept trying ;)
> 
> It looks like that problem's cleared up.
> 
> "I always play Turkey".  Nice.

Yeah, I thought that was cute myself.  I wonder what Italy's thinking
right now.

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Hee hee.

Imsasun was having problems last night with creating files in temp space.  
It spit back an error whenever I tried sending you that email from 
Austria -- so I kept trying ;)

It looks like that problem's cleared up.

"I always play Turkey".  Nice.



On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Don Blaheta wrote:

> Did you mean to send something there?  I just got a message to
> undisclosed-recipients:;, with no subject and no body.
> 
> I also got four copies of the same message from Austria.  Is your email
> system working ok?
> 


From dwarf@imsa.edu Fri Oct  4 05:27:34 2002
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> I want to invade Ionian because France and England explained to me if I do
> not then someone else will it is a good place to sit in order to make sure
> no one France Turkey or Austria is able to surround me and also to protect
> Tunisia which I hope will be invaded this week.  The boat army is not
> angry at Turkey or Austria and will only be friends with them.  I know it
> will be friends with Austria because I am friends with Austria and only I
> can tell that army what to do.  I do not know if it will be friends with
> Turkey because I have not talked to you very often and I do not know if
> you are friends with me.  I chose to be Italy because it is in the center
> of the game and it will be interesting to have so many neighbors.

Well, I will definitely be your friend if you don't move eastward,
i.e. into the Ionian.  If you do, friendship may still be possible,
but I have to admit that I'd be a great deal more wary of you then.  Why
don't you just send your navy into the Tyrrhenian Sea?  It can just as
easily get to Tunis from either one, and the Tyrrhenian Sea would make
me (and Austria, I'm sure) feel so much friendlier.


--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

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I want to invade Ionian because France and England explained to me if I do
not then someone else will it is a good place to sit in order to make sure
no one France Turkey or Austria is able to surround me and also to protect
Tunisia which I hope will be invaded this week.  The boat army is not
angry at Turkey or Austria and will only be friends with them.  I know it
will be friends with Austria because I am friends with Austria and only I
can tell that army what to do.  I do not know if it will be friends with
Turkey because I have not talked to you very often and I do not know if
you are friends with me.  I chose to be Italy because it is in the center
of the game and it will be interesting to have so many neighbors.




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I agree I want you to be my friend I will not invade Ionian.





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All goes according to plan.  I'll be moving into Rumania now, and
especially having convinced Italy not to occupy the Ionian, you're
perfectly set to lend me the support I need.  Thanks!


--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

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I'm disocvering that it's really hard not to type "France moves" in the
subject line.  Really got that muscle memory going. :)

A Bul -> Rum
A Con -> Bul
F Ank -> BLA

-- 
-=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=-<http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/>-=-
When you try to make an impression, the chances are that is the
impression you will make.

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I am pleased with the naval exercises conducted on the Black Sea and
look forward to continuing them this season.

--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

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Grand Sultan:

I am open to this arrangement.  However, might a suggest a temporary
alliance against the Austrian threat?  If you do not see this proposal as
to your benefit, that is all you need to respond and we can continue our
exercises as before.

The Russian Bear



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> All goes according to plan.  I'll be moving into Rumania now, and
> especially having convinced Italy not to occupy the Ionian, you're
> perfectly set to lend me the support I need.  Thanks!

Grand Sultan,

        I have submitted the appropriate orders to ensure your swift
movement into Rumania. At that point I presume we can work together to
secure what will then be our common northern frontier. Good luck, and
happy hunting.

The Dual Monarch






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Greetings, great Sultan!

The Kaiser hopes things are well in Asia Minor.  That cradle of
Civilization must indeed be a wonder to inhabit and a delight to rule.  We
must apologize for not contacting the Ottomans earlier, but our attention
was very much tied up in the tawdry affairs of regional politics.

We here in Germany could not help but take note when our messengers
brought us word of the recent events in the Black Sea.  It would appear
that we are not the only ones who are having difficulties with the
bloodthirsty Tsar.  Since he is clearly a menace to Europe and Asia both,
we propose to work with our friends the Saracens to hamper his efforts and
bring about his eventual demise.

As a first step toward this goal, we would suggest the possibility of an
assault on Sevastopol from Armenia.  Note that if the Tsar wishes to make
his forces useful, he must eventually dispatch them westward, which would
leave Sevastopol vulnerable.  Defending against such an attack would also
reduce the Tsar's ability to strike the Balkan region, thus simplifying
Turkey's efforts there.

In exchange for this, the Kaiser proposes to use his considerable
influence with his friend the Dual Monarch of Austria to guarantee Turkey
possession of Rumania.  Please indicate your acceptance of this offer
promptly so that we may begin such discussions with Austria as soon as
possible.

Best wishes,

Kaiser Wilhelm




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>         I have submitted the appropriate orders to ensure your swift
> movement into Rumania. At that point I presume we can work together to
> secure what will then be our common northern frontier. Good luck, and
> happy hunting.

That is the plan, yes.  Good doing business with you.

--TGSotOE

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> I am open to this arrangement.  However, might a suggest a temporary
> alliance against the Austrian threat?  If you do not see this proposal as
> to your benefit, that is all you need to respond and we can continue our
> exercises as before.

Won't you be busy with Germany in that time?  I can't take Greece right
now, not with that fleet in Albania, but once I have built a fleet in
Smyrna, I should be able to handle Austria by myself.  Of course,
having you acting on his northern border should serve as a nice
distraction.  Or was there something you were looking for me to do
against Austria?  Let me know.

--TGSotOE

From dpb Mon Oct  7 16:57:26 2002
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Sorry about that, I forgot to fix the subject on that email to austria.
By the way, do you have any preference between "From X to Y" and "To Y
from X"?  You specified the former in an early email, but everyone else
seems to use the latter.

Also, I'd like to point out that jpg files are really good for
photographs and things with shading, but gif and png are better for
bitmapped things like the dip map.  I don't know that they'll be
smaller, but they'll definitely look better. :)

-- 
-=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=-<http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/>-=-
"Babies on the other hand, spend the vast majority of their time either
i) sleeping, ii) eating, or iii) bitching. Behaviorally, they're a lot
like sheep, but without the keen, piercing intelligence. Or the ability
to move."						--Jeff Vogel

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> We here in Germany could not help but take note when our messengers
> brought us word of the recent events in the Black Sea.  It would appear
> that we are not the only ones who are having difficulties with the
> bloodthirsty Tsar.  Since he is clearly a menace to Europe and Asia both,
> we propose to work with our friends the Saracens to hamper his efforts and
> bring about his eventual demise.

For the moment, of course, we can keep standing him off, but then, this
occupies our fleet, so we hope to end the repeated standoffs soon.

> As a first step toward this goal, we would suggest the possibility of an
> assault on Sevastopol from Armenia.  Note that if the Tsar wishes to make
> his forces useful, he must eventually dispatch them westward, which would
> leave Sevastopol vulnerable.  Defending against such an attack would also
> reduce the Tsar's ability to strike the Balkan region, thus simplifying
> Turkey's efforts there.

We have certainly considered the idea of attacking from Armenia, but
since that can't possibly happen until next year at the earliest, we
plan to wait some time before we commit to that plan.

--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

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Yeah, I might move to a different format 'cause the map is really fairly 
poor.  But I'm a skinflint for the disk space, 'cause I'm running out.  
I'll check a few formats out next year.

I remember specifying the former format (eew) earlier, but really I do 
prefer the latter.  You can switch to that one.  I noticed you were the 
only one following my original request.  Heh.



On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Don Blaheta wrote:

> Sorry about that, I forgot to fix the subject on that email to austria.
> By the way, do you have any preference between "From X to Y" and "To Y
> from X"?  You specified the former in an early email, but everyone else
> seems to use the latter.
> 
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> photographs and things with shading, but gif and png are better for
> bitmapped things like the dip map.  I don't know that they'll be
> smaller, but they'll definitely look better. :)
> 
> 


From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Oct  7 18:11:47 2002
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To: "Neil T. Krasovec" <neilk@imsa.edu>
Subject: To Russia from Turkey
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> I am merely trying to figure out where to move my army in Ukraine.  I've
> been eyeing Galicia, but am willing to support your army in Bulgaria move
> to Rumania.  Or, if you have no designs on Rumania, then block the
> Austrian army in Budapest from that province.

A brilliant plan has just occurred to me.  Currently, Austria believes
that I intend to move north, much as you think I plan to move west--I
admit, I have straddled the fence until now, to give me time to decide
what to do.  I would prefer to move west, though, as it gives me a
cleaner front line and better expansion plans.  Not to be blunt or
anything.

The only concern I have is that a fleet in Sevastopol is very
threatening to me.  An army would be vastly less so; but this would
require removing the fleet somehow.

So here is my idea.  This fall, Austria is expecting me to try for
Rumania, and for our units to bounce in the Black Sea.  To keep up
appearances, I go through with this, and you move your Sev fleet into
Armenia.  Your Ukraine army can move in to defend Sevastopol, enter
Galicia, or move toward your German front.  Galicia would be really
daring, because then it would look like you were attacking three
countries at once!

At the end of this, I have my fleet in the Black Sea and an army in
Rumania, you have your fleet in Armenia, and it looks like you've come
up with a clever way to threaten my supply center--we're still "at war"
and Austria thinks he knows what is going on.  But when I attack the
fleet with support, you simply disband it rather than retreating to
Sevastopol.  With this accomplished, I can then leave the Black Sea via
Constantinople, and it could then be DMZ.  I will be keeping an army in
Rumania, since it is on my front with Austria, so you will presumably
want to keep an army in Sevastopol.  The exact play of the Ukraine army
is up to you, and depends on the extent to which you trust me.

There is a possibility that Austria will stab me before I get a chance
to stab him, by using his Serbian army to support his Budapest army into
Rumania.  This could certainly be forestalled by you supporting me in,
but in the case that Austria doesn't do that, it would tip our hand
earlier than I'd like (though somewhat confusingly, what with the whole
Armenia business).  I am indecisive on this point.  What is your
opinion?

--TGSotOE

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I am merely trying to figure out where to move my army in Ukraine.  I've
been eyeing Galicia, but am willing to support your army in Bulgaria move
to Rumania.  Or, if you have no designs on Rumania, then block the
Austrian army in Budapest from that province.

The Russian Bear




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> I'll allow you into the Black Sea in exchange for Rumania, which is not a
> deal I think you'll accept.  I am also willing to your plan with the
> modification that my fleet does retreat, but with the promise to keep it
> out of the Black Sea.  I admit that this requires you to trust me, and
> implies that I don't trust you.  But my faith in others has been used up
> in my northern theater.

Understood.  The whole point of the Armenia maneuver was to be able to
disband your fleet, so there's no real point in doing that if you won't
be disbanding.

Seen from my perspective, the only difference between a Russian army
in Sev and a Russian fleet there is that a fleet can launch a southern
offensive against me; the defensive capabilities of each are equal.  I
understand if you are not ready to perform this maneuver yet, but we
will not have a truly stable border (which I want as much as you) until
that fleet is gone, somehow.  Since it cannot retreat northward, the
only way that I am aware of to remove that fleet is for it to be
dislodged and disbanded (and replace with an army).

> Barring that, I prefer our previous stand-off in the Black Sea and moving
> into Galicia.

I will be moving into the Black Sea, and if we bounce again, that is
acceptable.  It occurs to me that the maneuver as I proposed it would
leave you with one less unit for a whole season (next Fall); if we start
it in the Spring, however, you would be able to disband in the Fall
retreats and then immediately rebuild during the Adjustments.  We can
discuss this further in the spring.

> Of course, I am still willing to give the Austrians grief
> in support your Army in Bulgaria, but understand that you are still
> weighing your targets.

There are two possibilities.  One is that Austria believes I am an ally,
and supports me into Rumania.  The other is that he realizes that I plan
to betray him, or has decided to stab me, and uses Serbia to support
Budapest into Rumania.  In the former case, an attack on Budapest is a
clear act of war on Austria, but otherwise essentially a no-op, since it
was supporting my unit which didn't need it, and it would bounce you
back to your current position.  In the latter case, beside being an act
of war it is a huge gain in position, since although I lose Rumania,
Austria loses a home supply center to you.  In either case, a move to
Galicia is an act of war, a definite but small gain in position, and
will face armies in Vienna and Budapest the following turn.  At this
point, I really don't know which is more likely (although Germany
claimed to have influence with the Dual Monarch...), so I'll just submit
you the analysis and leave you the call: a certain but slight gain in
position, or a coin toss between a zero gain and a huge gain.

--TGSotOE

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Grand Sultan:

As we are both being frank with each other, I will state plainly.  My hope
was to encourage you towards Austria, and not an operation of the scale
you are proposing.  I see the merits of your plan, but it introduces too
much of a risk to my southern border.

I'll allow you into the Black Sea in exchange for Rumania, which is not a
deal I think you'll accept.  I am also willing to your plan with the
modification that my fleet does retreat, but with the promise to keep it
out of the Black Sea.  I admit that this requires you to trust me, and
implies that I don't trust you.  But my faith in others has been used up
in my northern theater.

Barring that, I prefer our previous stand-off in the Black Sea and moving
into Galicia.  Of course, I am still willing to give the Austrians grief
in support your Army in Bulgaria, but understand that you are still
weighing your targets.

The Russian Bear





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> I prefer the safer Galicia move.  So unless I have misunderstood anything,
> my agreed upon southern movements will be:
> F Sev-Bla
> A Urk-Gal
> 
> The Russian Bear

Fine by me, RB.

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Great Sultan:

I prefer the safer Galicia move.  So unless I have misunderstood anything,
my agreed upon southern movements will be:
F Sev-Bla
A Urk-Gal

The Russian Bear





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I build armies in Ankara and Constantinople.  What the hell was Russia
thinking?  God, he just yielded StP to England and has lost Sev to me
unless Austria throws in with him.  He should've taken the alliance
while he had the chance (sure as hell would've made my life easier---now
I'm going to have to play the "who first?" game with Austria).

-- 
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Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the galaxy
lies a small yellow sun, orbited by a blue green planet, whose ape-descended
life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think Windows is a
pretty neat idea.

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Yeah, I don't know if I've ever seen a dip game where only 5 nations get 
builds during the first winter.

On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Don Blaheta wrote:

> I build armies in Ankara and Constantinople.  What the hell was Russia
> thinking?  God, he just yielded StP to England and has lost Sev to me
> unless Austria throws in with him.  He should've taken the alliance
> while he had the chance (sure as hell would've made my life easier---now
> I'm going to have to play the "who first?" game with Austria).
> 
> 


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Sultan,
        It has been an interesting year in Europe.  I have been recently
briefed on the situation in the Balkans.  Congratuations on your gains!
        However, France must also send a word of caution to the Ottoman
Empire.  If appears from this distant locale that your route of expansion
is to the north.  We believe you will have great success in this
endeavour.  Unfortunately, we forsee problems in the not distant future
for your nation.  Austria, while friendly now, will soon grow to close
your western border.  At least half of the Italian supply centers, and a
center each from Russia and Germany will swell his forces.  While Turkey
may have success in Russia, it appears that England will beat Turkey to
the northernmost centers.  What then, will Turkey do when she is cornered
by a nine center Austria and a potentially equally strong England?
        I apologize for spoiling the victories of your people with my
long-winded warning.  But I urge you to think carefully of your current
allies.

France




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>         The Russian Bear is severely weakened. I was pleased that he so
> easily shared his plans with me, so that I was able to turn them to your
> significant betterment. Certainly it appears you will benefit more from
> his current state than I will.

I thank you.  I had wondered if he thought he was getting help from you,
because his actions make absolutely no sense on their own--as you note,
Sevastopol will soon be mine and Russia will be unable to stop me.  I
wonder if he realizes what a huge tactical mistake it was to let me into
the Black Sea?

>         Sevastopol is your for the taking, after which Moscow and St.
> Petersburg should fall in short order. Despite the American press
> speculating that our two great Empires shall have to inevitably butt
> heads in the near future, I am hoping that we can reach an arrangement
> that avoids such an unpleasant future for our nations.

I agree that such would be unpleasant.  Happily, the moron in Russia is
nicely complemented by the cretin in Italy, leaving you and me the
opportunities to move west and north, respectively, leaving our backs to
one another.

>         I am open to suggestions for how we may cooperate in the future, 
> if you have any. Certainly I will offer any assistance I can in
> finishing off the Russian in short order.

I'll let you know if I think of anything; for now it is enough to set
out in different directions.  If anything, the debt runs the other
way--perhaps in a few seasons I can support you into Germany.

-TGSotOE

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Grand Sultan,

        The Russian Bear is severely weakened. I was pleased that he so
easily shared his plans with me, so that I was able to turn them to your
significant betterment. Certainly it appears you will benefit more from
his current state than I will.
        Sevastopol is your for the taking, after which Moscow and St.
Petersburg should fall in short order. Despite the American press
speculating that our two great Empires shall have to inevitably butt
heads in the near future, I am hoping that we can reach an arrangement
that avoids such an unpleasant future for our nations.

        I am open to suggestions for how we may cooperate in the future, 
if
you have any. Certainly I will offer any assistance I can in finishing
off the Russian in short order.

The Dual Monarch




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Happy?

--TGSotOE

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Now we are in week second of the DIPLOMACY game.  I am having a
very good time and I thank you very much for playing with me.  This is a
very interesting game and I like it very much.


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A Ank -> Arm
F BLA S A Ank -> Arm

A Rum S A Bul
A Bul S A Rum
A Con S A Bul


-- 
-=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=-<http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/>-=-
Universe, n.:
	The problem.

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*shrug*  I was well aware of the risks of my actions.

The Russian Bear





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>         It has been an interesting year in Europe.  I have been recently
> briefed on the situation in the Balkans.  Congratuations on your gains!

Thank you, and I apologize for not responding sooner.

>         However, France must also send a word of caution to the Ottoman
> Empire.  If appears from this distant locale that your route of expansion
> is to the north.  We believe you will have great success in this
> endeavour.  Unfortunately, we forsee problems in the not distant future
> for your nation.  Austria, while friendly now, will soon grow to close
> your western border.  At least half of the Italian supply centers, and a
> center each from Russia and Germany will swell his forces.  While Turkey
> may have success in Russia, it appears that England will beat Turkey to
> the northernmost centers.  What then, will Turkey do when she is cornered
> by a nine center Austria and a potentially equally strong England?

I am aware that I need to be cautious of Austria, but for now I think
that it will be alright.  And in any case, it isn't as if I have much
choice!

>         I apologize for spoiling the victories of your people with my
> long-winded warning.  But I urge you to think carefully of your current
> allies.

I do sincerely thank you for your concern; someday our countries may not
be so distant from each other, and when that day comes I would be
honored to discuss alliance with you.  Best of luck in warding off the
irritating pest to the south as you turn your real attention
northward....

--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

From dpb Sat Oct 12 16:41:09 2002
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I have to confess that I am a bit nervous about the army you currently
have placed in Galicia.  What are your plans for that unit?

--TGSotOE

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It now seems very clear to me that Austria intends to stab me this
round.  I had thought it would be next year... but it seems obvious to
me that the Galician army is there to menace Rumania.

Thus, I'm willing to give an alliance between us a second chance.  As I
stated earlier, it really would have been my preference, and I am sad
that it didn't work out then.  Perhaps we will have better luck now.

Are you interested?  We can discuss the exact details after you respond.


--TGSotOE

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Grand Sultan:

I am interested, although it is of course impossible to guarantee that any
support my forces will provide will not be cut off.

RB



From dpb Sun Oct 13 14:41:57 2002
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Congratulations on your impressive maneuvering in the north.  You 
obviously seemto have an excellent handle on the thought processes of
the Russian, and as such, we were wondering if you could grant us some
insight?  Is it a true alliance that you have with him, or is it (as it 
appears) more of a one-sided relationship?  It was nice to help him into
Kiel, but seriously, it's a fleet in Kiel with no supply lines back
home--not really a very strong position for him.

Anyway, we've had a very frustrating time in our correspondence with
Russia.  It seemed for a while as if this might be due to puissance and
subtlety on the part of the Russian, but we now think it was just
incompetence, and we just wanted to get your opinion on the matter.

--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

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Our condolences on your current position--it is never easy to have a
foreign unit in a home center.  With luck, you'll be able to oust the
Russian moron and get on with your life.

In the meantime, I assume that you'll make use of your fleet in Bothnia
to seize the undefended St. Petersburg, right?  It seems only
reasonable, really, though it is possible that there would be diplomatic
motivations to do otherwise.  We ask, though, because whether the
Russian loses a center or not will affect the... delicacy... with which
we handle the Russian situation this season.

--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

From dwarf@imsa.edu Sun Oct 13 15:03:50 2002
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> I am interested, although it is of course impossible to guarantee that any
> support my forces will provide will not be cut off.

In fact, I was rather hoping you would use your Warsaw and Ukraine
armies to support yourself into Galicia.  This has the twin benefits of
cutting a possible line of support and providing a distracting threat to
Austria.  With Galicia out of the way, I can have my Rumanian and
Bulgarian armies hold steady while I reposition my fleet through
Constantinople for Mediterranean use.  This plan also has the advantage
of being more appealing to you, since it is not particularly a sacrifice
(and improves your position considerably).  I expect you may have
already been considering it, in fact--but of course, it was impossible
to be sure, as I needed to be.

Thank you for reconsidering an alliance with me.  I'm glad there are no
hard feelings.

--TGSotOE

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I still think you're crazy for not getting the supply center in Tunis,
but I have to say that I admire your ability to build such an obviously
solid alliance with Austria.  Good work, but I don't think it'll buy you
much in the end: with only three units, you'll at best just hold off
France long enough for Austria to finish whatever he's doing with Russia
(or me) and come back and acquire your peninsula.

Good luck, though!

--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

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I'd like to let you know that your advice was spot-on: sure enough,
Austria seems poised to stab me this turn.  I had thought it would be
Spring 03, but alas.  He has clearly allied with Italy, and that
Galician army is mighty close to Rumania.  I seem to have become the odd
man out in this conflict, but if I survive I'd definitely be interested
in talking alliance with you in a few seasons.

And hey, lend Germany a hand if you can.  He's likely to be your best
buffer against the British(/Russian) juggernaut.

--TGSotOE

From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Oct 14 12:29:36 2002
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>    And congratulations on your own expansionist
> successes in the south.  I can't say that I have deep
> insight into the Russian's thought process.  In truth
> I have considered him a true ally, albeit one with
> only limited survival potential as things have gone.
> I don't know how much longer I will be able to nurse
> his fortunes in the north, but I have a fondness for
> him that has already stayed my hand from easy
> betrayals.
> 
>     I've urged him to try to win alliance with one of
> you or Austria, with the obvious preference being for
> you, as Austria will /surely/ spell your doom in the
> near future.  I expect Austria to be the biggest
> threat to the success of me and my allies, whomever
> they ultimately are.

Yes, that is my assessment of Austria as well.  I had hoped to ally with
Russia from the start, but his attack on Armenia, and on Rumania,
prevented that (and without even being very useful for him).  One of my
requests--both before and after the Armenian invasion--was that he
somehow work with me to convert that fleet into an army.  I assume that
this was too onerous for him, although I outlined a plan that would be
minimally threatening to him and would enable him to avoid losing the
use of that unit for any time (by me "attacking" it, him voluntarily
disbanding in the fall and rebuilding an army in the winter).  If even
he had merely told me that he would never do it, we still might have
worked something out, but as it was, he effectively said "maybe later"
and then stabbed me.  Or, perhaps "poked" is a better word, because the
stab wasn't very effective.

Now, of course, I have to care about Austria, and his army in Galicia,
much more than I care about Russia and the Sevastopol fleet.  It is
frustrating, because that fleet can't do anything in our alliance beside
support a single unit.  At least the Ukraine army can be effective, and
in particular, I have asked Russia to use that with support from his
Warsaw army to take Galicia, which will ease the pressure on my northern
border, as well as advancing his own position.  I hope he takes me up on
it--surely he realizes that he can't possibly get more than one or maybe
two supply centers out of supporting Austria against me, while Austria
would certainly get a much better deal.

Among other things, he's never going to get use of that fleet as such,
since Austria would never permit it either.  Oh well, we can talk again
about converting it into an army in a year or two, since I just don't
have the resources to devote to such a behind-the-lines tactical
maneuver right now.

> I expect Russia's misfortune may be complete soon, which is
> unfortunate, since it will also mean a bad outcome for you with
> respect to Austria.

Tell me about it.

>     I want Germany neutralized before I make any long
> term commitments.  I will press the Russian to work
> with you for the time being if you will work against
> Austrian expansionism.  I don't know why he should
> have been so slack in corresponding with you.  If you
> deal in good faith, either as an ally, or as an
> honorable foe, to the Russian, I will deal fairly with
> you should we become neighbors.

And it does seem inevitable that sooner or later, you will become
neighbors with either Austria or myself.  It galls me that Russia is
the one that will effectively make that choice.  Ah, the vagaries of the
European political scene.

> ps - Can you offer me any insight at all into the
> Italian's insane and suicidal campaign?

Not much, although I have recently become of the opinion that the
Austrian has convinced him to ally; in fact, it was Austria's refusal to
take the easy centers in Italy that made me dead certain he is about to
stab me this season.  I am continually shocked that Tunis has remained
neutral so long.  I suspect that Italy is getting a constant stream of
self-serving advice from Austria.  It will certainly be effective at
keeping France and Italy small, and keeping Austria's back clear, until
he can get around to dealing with them.

--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

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Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire,

   And congratulations on your own expansionist
successes in the south.  I can't say that I have deep
insight into the Russian's thought process.  In truth
I have considered him a true ally, albeit one with
only limited survival potential as things have gone.
I don't know how much longer I will be able to nurse
his fortunes in the north, but I have a fondness for
him that has already stayed my hand from easy
betrayals.

    I've urged him to try to win alliance with one of
you or Austria, with the obvious preference being for
you, as Austria will /surely/ spell your doom in the
near future.  I expect Austria to be the biggest
threat to the success of me and my allies, whomever
they ultimately are.

    As to the misfortune of the Russian northern
position, I am not it's architect.  Russia offered me
Sweden in exchange for my support against the German
as his opening diplomacy.  It was easy enough to get
France to cooperate in the venture.  And the rest is
Europe's history.  I expect Russia's misfortune may be
complete soon, which is unfortunate, since it will
also mean a bad outcome for you with respect to
Austria.

    I want Germany neutralized before I make any long
term commitments.  I will press the Russian to work
with you for the time being if you will work against
Austrian expansionism.  I don't know why he should
have been so slack in corresponding with you.  If you
deal in good faith, either as an ally, or as an
honorable foe, to the Russian, I will deal fairly with
you should we become neighbors.

Edward VII

ps - Can you offer me any insight at all into the
Italian's insane and suicidal campaign?



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> > In the meantime, I assume that you'll make use of your fleet in Bothnia
> > to seize the undefended St. Petersburg, right?  It seems only
> > reasonable, really, though it is possible that there would be diplomatic
> > motivations to do otherwise.  We ask, though, because whether the
> > Russian loses a center or not will affect the... delicacy... with which
> > we handle the Russian situation this season.
> 
> The Russian will indeed be losing St. Petersburg.  It pleases me to do
> what I can to hasten his demise.

I'm pleased to hear it.  Whatever may happen down south, and even if I
am forced to ally with him temporarily, I would be unhappy to see him
particularly successful in this conflict.

Again, best luck in recapturing your homeland.  We'll talk more later.

--TGSotOE

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> In the meantime, I assume that you'll make use of your fleet in Bothnia
> to seize the undefended St. Petersburg, right?  It seems only
> reasonable, really, though it is possible that there would be diplomatic
> motivations to do otherwise.  We ask, though, because whether the
> Russian loses a center or not will affect the... delicacy... with which
> we handle the Russian situation this season.

The Russian will indeed be losing St. Petersburg.  It pleases me to do
what I can to hasten his demise.



From dpb Mon Oct 14 12:46:19 2002
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I still haven't heard back from you, so I'll assume you're too busy to
send much correspondence, but hopefully you're at least checking it.
For that army in Galicia, I was hoping that you would hit the Ukraine
with it rather than turning it toward Germany.

I have to say I was surprised, too, that Italy hadn't taken Tunis yet.
It's too bad you hadn't moved your Greek fleet out to the Ionian yet, or
you could have grabbed it this fall and had an extra supply center.

--TGSotOE

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Whoa, what a crapshoot.

A Arm -> Sev
F BLA S A Arm -> Sev

A Con -> Smy

A Rum -> Ser
A Bul S A Rum -> Ser


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> I still haven't heard back from you, so I'll assume you're too busy to
> send much correspondence, but hopefully you're at least checking it.
> For that army in Galicia, I was hoping that you would hit the Ukraine
> with it rather than turning it toward Germany.

        Currently, it is my intention to have that unit move on Warsaw in
some capacity as that is virtually my only route towards gaining supply
capacity this year.

> I have to say I was surprised, too, that Italy hadn't taken Tunis yet.
> It's too bad you hadn't moved your Greek fleet out to the Ionian yet, or
> you could have grabbed it this fall and had an extra supply center.

        Yes. My incorrect reading of the map will cost me in the short
term. Hopefully it will not cost me too dearly in the long term.

The Dual Monarch





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Grand Sultan:

I apologize for the delay, many other pressing issues in the country.
Will move on Galicia.

RB




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Good heavens, that went down weird.  I expected to lose one Balkan, but
not both.  Well, all is not lost.

I disband the retreating army.

I then build a fleet in Constantinople.

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Grand Sultan,

        I am in the process of re-evaluating my strategic situation. What,
precisely, would you have me do regarding the Ukraine? If you are
willing to support my army into the Ukraine, which you can do and still
guarantee yourself Sevastopol, then I am certainly willing to move in
that direction if it will assist you. This will give me the gateway to
Germany that I need to move west.

The Dual Monarch




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Ho there Italy.  Just a bit of friendly advice: now would be an
excellent time to demand some assistance from your ally Austria.  If he
puts a fleet in the Ionian he can support you into Tunis in the Fall,
and help you defend against France.

--TGSotOE

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Spain is still marked as a neutral, although it is now controlled by
France.  Are you doing these things by hand?  If so, I'm impressed. :)

-- 
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wrong) is often as informative as seeing the correct solution.
						--W. Richard Stevens

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Nice work on landing troops in Holland.  Belgium's next?  Or are you
allied with France?

Well, I managed to get rid of the Russian fleet in Sevastopol finally; I
only hope that the length of time it took hasn't permanently disabled
me.  The Balkans are certainly messy.  Hopefully I can piece together a
reasonable front line again--I wish Austria had a credible threat
somewhere else on his borders, either from Italy, Germany, or Russia,
but that doesn't seem likely.

Anyway, it's good to see that *someone*'s campaign is working as
planned.  Cheers.

--TGSotOE

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Hey, I know that you and Germany aren't exactly pals, but could you work
out something where one of you takes Munich?  I don't much care which
one, but I'd just as soon Austria didn't have it.  With him holding
Munich, he can totally ignore his northern border and concentrate on me
exclusively, which is undesirable to say the least.

By the way, in your southern region: you've probably already thought of
this, but make sure you let Italy take Tunis in the spring, while you
rotate your Spanish and WMed fleets through to WMed and Northern Africa
(and your Gulf of Lyon fleet into Tyrrhenian Sea)--this guarantees you
Tunis in the fall, when it matters, and trying to take it sooner will
just make you bounce all over the place and unable to guarantee the
extra center for the winter.

--TGSotOE

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Heh.  Well, it's a logistics thing.  I updated the map using Diplo
software at home last night.  I didn't ftp up the .dip file it made, so
when I got into work this morning, I had the option of either doing the
retreats and builds by had, or recreating the last few years in Diplo.  I 
opened paint and did them by hand (note the somewhat darker looking border 
on Ruhr ;) ).



On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Don Blaheta wrote:

> Spain is still marked as a neutral, although it is now controlled by
> France.  Are you doing these things by hand?  If so, I'm impressed. :)
> 
> 


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Oh, and thanks for the heads up.  Fixed.


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Agh, I should have coordinated better with you--had you not attacked
Warsaw, the Russian attack on Galicia would have succeeded.  It wouldn't
have directly mattered to my moves, but at least I wouldn't have had the
Ukraine army still on my border after the stab.

Ah well, water under the bridge.  I do, however, recommend that you get
on the horn with France, and try to get him to support you into Munich.
However well-allied France may have been with England, you can make a
strong case that England is now a threat; and Austria certainly is a
threat.  If Austria keeps Munich, he can ignore his entire border except
for me.  And once he finishes with me, he'll be a huge power that can
sweep the board....

--TGSotOE

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Sorry.  I really needed that fleet out of there.  Obviously, you won't
be interested in hearing anything from me (least of all battle plans),
so I won't even try, but I really do wish you good luck against Germany,
and against England once he turns on you.

--TGSotOE

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God, why did I move that army to Smyrna?  That was just completely and
utterly moronic.  Oh well.

A Ser -> Gre
F Con -> Bul (sc)
F Bla S F Con -> Bul (sc)
A Sev -> Rum
A Smy -> Con

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				--Sean Thomas, winner of 2000 Bad Sex Award

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What a mess.

--TGSotOE

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That is a super idea thank you!  I didn't know how to stop France and I
didn't know what I could do so that is the right thing to do.





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To Turkey from Germany

> I do, however, recommend that you get on the horn with France, and try
> to get him to support you into Munich.  However well-allied France may
> have been with England, you can make a strong case that England is now a
> threat; and Austria certainly is a threat.

To be frank, at this point, I've decided to return the favor to Russia by
devoting myself to attacking him wherever and whenever possible.

> If Austria keeps Munich, he can ignore his entire border except for me.
> And once he finishes with me, he'll be a huge power that can sweep the
> board....

This is of no concern to Germany, for we will be dead and gone long before
then.  However, we do regret that you and Austria have broken your
alliance.  I fear that both of you will now fall to England, and I had
hoped that would not come to pass.  If at all possible, I would recommend
patching things up with him.






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Sultan,

   I have an ongoing arrangement with the French which is very much like
alliance without much of the mutual trust.  I don't intend to seize his
lands any time soon.  Rather I hope to keep him a strong power capable of
helping against the Austrian.  I know that it seems bleak with the
Austrian without, as you say, credible threats.  But with his incursion
into Germany, France and I will finally share a front with him, and can
perhaps you can make some use of that. 

Edward VII





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Grand Sultan:

On the contrary.  I understand that this is statecraft, not personal.
Frankly, I need all the help I can get.

RB




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> That is a super idea thank you!  I didn't know how to stop France and I
> didn't know what I could do so that is the right thing to do.

More advice on the France Problem:  this turn, the best you can hope for
is to bounce France out of Tunis; that's the best he can hope as well.
But crucially, if he does that he can't guarantee himself into Tunis in
the fall.  So I suspect he will move WMed -> NAf and Spa -> WMed.  If
you attack WMed this season, it will bounce him back to Spain; then once
Austria is in the Ionian he can support you into Tunis.  And even if he
doesn't support you, you can at least still bounce the Frenchman in the
Fall and deny him the center.

--TGSotOE

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> Hey, I know that you and Germany aren't exactly pals, but could you work
> out something where one of you takes Munich?  I don't much care which
> one, but I'd just as soon Austria didn't have it.  With him holding
> Munich, he can totally ignore his northern border and concentrate on me
> exclusively, which is undesirable to say the least.

I shall do my best.

> By the way, in your southern region: you've probably already thought of
> this, but make sure you let Italy take Tunis in the spring, while you
> rotate your Spanish and WMed fleets through to WMed and Northern Africa
> (and your Gulf of Lyon fleet into Tyrrhenian Sea)--this guarantees you
> Tunis in the fall, when it matters, and trying to take it sooner will
> just make you bounce all over the place and unable to guarantee the
> extra center for the winter.

France thanks the Grand Sultan for his advice.  Good luck in the Balkans
this year.

France




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To Turkey from Austria

Indeed it is.

The Dual Monarch





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> Truthfully I'm torn between ignoring the embarassment
> the French leader has caused me and remobilizing my
> troops westward to teach him a lesson in humility.  I
> know Austria is the real threat, and I would have
> maintained France's good fortunes as a hedge against
> that wily leader, but I can't help but think France is
> preparing to stab me in hopes that I am an easier
> victim than Austria.  If that is the case, it would be
> better to have the mad Italian in play than such a
> treacherous snake.

It's interesting that you say this, because as soon as I examined the
mapboard in the Defense Ministry, I decided to send a message to you
asking what it would take to get you to attack France this season or the
next, for roughly the reasons you describe above.  I think I can now
contain the Austrian myself, but it will take some time; and France
seems to have his act together, and will sweep through Italy quickly if
he does not need to defend his northern border.  I definitely don't want
to break through Austria only to find a strong France on the other side,
if possible.

--TGSotOE

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Sultan,

   The twice accursed leaders of France persist in
their paranoid suspicions of me, to the cost of my
efforts against Germany and Austria.  I intended to
take Ruhr this season and use it to support France
against Munich, but instead he asked for support for
his own unit in Burgundy.

Now he's positioning himself to expand into Germany
rather then to press eastward after crushing Italy.  I
don't even know how to respond to his naked treason
against our alliance.  I'm overwrought.

I'm going to make a stab at St. Pete's this season
unless I get a clear wave-off from the Russian.  After
I have St. Pete's, I'll support your expansion
northward in exchange for you continuing your struggle
against the  cunning Dual Monarch.

Truthfully I'm torn between ignoring the embarassment
the French leader has caused me and remobilizing my
troops westward to teach him a lesson in humility.  I
know Austria is the real threat, and I would have
maintained France's good fortunes as a hedge against
that wily leader, but I can't help but think France is
preparing to stab me in hopes that I am an easier
victim than Austria.  If that is the case, it would be
better to have the mad Italian in play than such a
treacherous snake.

I'll tell you one thing though, if the Frenchman
requests any future support from England, I think
he'll find that he has to ask with a great deal more
humility than he has shown thus far.

Yours in great wroth,

Edward VIII



From dpb Sat Oct 19 18:55:07 2002
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Sorry I forgot to fix the subject line on that last email.

F Bul -> Gre
A Con -> Bul
A Ser -> Bud
A Sev S F BLA -> Rum
F BLA -> Rum

Ok, I'm pretty please with how that went.

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Yeah, all things considered, it went pretty well.  Austria's learning the 
folly of relying too heavily on fleets in the Balkans.  Something Venice 
never learned ;)

> 
> Ok, I'm pretty please with how that went.


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Quoth Don Blaheta:
> F Bul -> Gre
> A Con -> Bul
> A Ser -> Bud
> A Sev S F BLA -> Rum
> F BLA -> Rum

These are final.

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If the shoe fits, get another one just like it. 

From dpb Wed Oct 23 19:09:21 2002
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I'll build a fleet in Smyrna.

I wonder if Russia realises that he _must_ retreat to Berlin?

I also can't believe that Austria got away with keeping Munich.  What a
pain.

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> I'll build a fleet in Smyrna.
> 
> I wonder if Russia realises that he _must_ retreat to Berlin?

Well, he can disband the fleet, or retreat to Baltic.  I mean, that would 
be dumb dumb dumb.  But he can do it.

> I also can't believe that Austria got away with keeping Munich.  What a
> pain.

Funny, I think.


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A Ser -> Bud
A Sev -> Rum
F BLA S A Sev -> Rum

F Smy -> AEG
F Bul S F Smy -> AEG
A Con S F Bul

This should, hopefully, work, although if Austria is a good tactician he
can block me from acquiring any centres this year, dammit.

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From dpb Thu Oct 24 13:49:07 2002
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Nice maneuvering down in the Mediterranean--things are about wrapped up
for the Italian, it looks like.  We should talk soon about how to carve
up Austria.

--TGSotOE

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It appears we are thinking along similar lines.  As soon as I got wind
of the maneuverings of the French and Austrian armies last Fall, I began
to worry that the two had allied, and intended to petition you to
reconsider your pro-French (well, non-anti-French) position.  Before I
could send such a courier with that message, however, I learned of your
recent fleets constructions and see that you have already done so.  May
your Atlantic campaigns be a smashing success.

It would furthermore seem that we are fast approaching what my ministers
keep calling a "midgame" for reasons which are unclear to me.  As the
last of the German and Russian units are annihilated, and as France and
Austria crush Italy between them, we two would be an obvious choice for
an alliance against the Franco-Russian axis.  What do you think?

--TGSotOE

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Hi.  Sorry the Austria thing didn't work out for you.  Now that France
has three fleets on your one, I suspect that he will use one to support
another into TYS while the Tunisian fleet invades the Ionian.  As such,
since you can't hang on to TYS, you might as well move to the Ionian to
bounce the French fleet there; then in the end you can retreat to Naples
for the soon-to-be-necessary homeland defense.

Best of luck.  We're rooting for you over here, and are sorry that we
can't send any material assistance your way.

--TGSotOE

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Gentlemen,
        We have reached a critical point in Europe's future.  England sits
at 9 supply centers.  By the end of this year, she will most certainly
have Belgium (10) and possibly Munich (11) as well.  Her fleets will soon
overwhelm me.  French territories falling under the domain of the King
will swell his forces to 17.  This cannot be allowed to happen.
        Perhaps I can stall the English king for some time.  In order for
this to happen, Italy MUST get off my back.  To the dual monarch, Italy is
yours.  If you like, the army in Piedmont will support a unit into Venice.
Preferably, the Trieste fleet.  This may force him to disband his fleet
and leave my own navies free to act against England.  I only ask that I be
allowed Tunis.
        Sultan.  I realize that this is a difficult decision for all of
us, but a continued war between Austria and Turkey does nothing but hand
the game to England.  I urge both of your nations to come to a quick
agreement and set off northward.  Germany and Russia are finished, soon to
become English provinces.  Turkey, release Serbia to Austria.  Austria,
release Rumania to Turkey.  From there, draw a line in the sand.  Turkey,
head north through Moscow.  Meet the English in Scandinavia, at the very
least stop his expansion.  Austria, distract the Italians, take their
supply centers.  Either you or I should be in Munich by the end of the
year, or at least kept the English from taking it.   From there, you
drive northwest, meeting the English in Germany.  I can strike from the
seas, but ONLY if Italy is no longer a threat, or cooped up on her
penninsula with no sea uits.
        Please, time is short.  For the survival of all of our nations,
please respond.

France



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        The Frank is correct. Grand Sultan, we can continue to fight each
other to a standstill, while England reaps the rewards of our futility.
Already our conflict has forced you to exchange an Army for a Fleet and
caused me to effect a force reduction, thereby limiting both of our
abilities to head north and prevent the Englishman from taking over
Europe.
        Unfortunately, we both listened to those gadflies in the Fourth
Estate during the same season. We both stabbed, we essentially broke
even, and here we are - with virtually nothing to gain except for an
ability to speak the King's English sometime in the near future.
        My original offer for demilitarizing the Balkans still stands. As 
a
show of good will, I am also going to offer you a slice of Italy.
Perhaps your sailors would like to vacation in Naples in the near future?
        We have been blind to developments in the west for too long. The
time to continue turning a blind eye has come to an end.

The Dual Monarch





From dpb Fri Oct 25 12:04:22 2002
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I am now dead certain that Austria and France are allied.  They've sent
some very shrill messages to me, both saying that I should back off from
attacking Austria on the basis of you having 9 supply centers--
practically a win right there, I guess.

Anyway, I was just looking at the map and trying to plan ahead;  Would
you be willing to support me into Moscow next season with your St
Petersburg army?

--TGSotOE

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I'm switching the configuration of the attack on Rumania:

A Ser -> Bud
A Sev S F BLA -> Rum
F BLA -> Rum

F Smy -> AEG
F Bul S F Smy -> AEG
A Con S F Bul

Also, these moves are final.

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>   Indeed, such support (A StP S A Sev - Mos) is within
> reason and will be ordered.

Not this season!  Next season!  Sorry if that wasn't clear.

>    I know we've changed partners now, and I just want
> you to know what I see as the ideal path to victory.
> I continue to expand along my hostile borders until a
> stalemate line of some sort is achieved.  If you have
> enough supply centers when that happens to put us over
> the required number to end victorious, I will accept a
> split victory.  Is this acceptable to you?

A split victory would be acceptable, yes.

--TGSotOE

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Sultan,

  Indeed, such support (A StP S A Sev - Mos) is within
reason and will be ordered.  I appreciate your
warnings that France has sided with Austria, although,
to be fair she had little choice in the matter.  Italy
remains an annoyance that I hope those two liquidate
quickly.

   I know we've changed partners now, and I just want
you to know what I see as the ideal path to victory.
I continue to expand along my hostile borders until a
stalemate line of some sort is achieved.  If you have
enough supply centers when that happens to put us over
the required number to end victorious, I will accept a
split victory.  Is this acceptable to you?

Edward VII




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Sultan,

   Apologies for the confusion.

Edward VII



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To: Don Blaheta <dwarf@imsa.edu>
Subject: To Turkey from France
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Perhaps you didn't get the message of my previous missive.  Let me use
smaller words.

It doesn't matter what little dance you and Austria do in the Balkans.  In
a couple of years, England will win...unless we (you, me, Austria) all
work together.

Here's the rest of the game if it continues as it is going:

England just captured Berlin (that's a build).  She'll take Belgium in the
fall (that's a build).  One of those builds will most certainly be a fleet
in Liverpool.  In the spring, it will travel to the Norwegian Sea.  By
Fall, an English fleet with be in the Mid-Atlantic and France will fall.
Or, I can elect to bounce her there, and lose Tunis to the Italians (who
can hold out to the end), and France will fall. Big deal, you say, who
cares about France.  You should.  England will be unstoppable at that
point, at 17 SC, is there any doubt she could take the 18th?  There is no
second place in this game.  Only 1 winner, and 6 losers.

I urge you to contact Austria and work out a settlement.

France



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Addendum:  Of course, I meant the North Atlantic, not the Norwegian in my
last post.




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> My original offer for demilitarizing the Balkans still stands. As a
> show of good will, I am also going to offer you a slice of Italy.
> Perhaps your sailors would like to vacation in Naples in the near future?

Italy is completely unuseful to me--too far away, too indefensible.  I
would, however, be interested in Greece.  Once I have Greece, I would be
willing to consider acquisition of more northerly supply centers.

--TGSotOE

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Hey Otto, are you still on good terms with Austria?  I'm currently 
trying to patch up with him, at least until England gets beatin down a 
bit; in any case, I was going to suggest getting his support back into
Warsaw.  My ulterior motive in suggesting this is that in a year or so 
(once I've confirmed that Austria isn't going to hit me from the south) 
I'll be moving north on Russia, which would be easier if Russia had a 
more minimal existence.

--TGSotOE

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I'll see what I can do.

--TGSotOE

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I'm going to suggest you retreat your fleet to Naples.  Here's why: as
things currently stand, you can't take Tunis by yourself, one fleet
against France's one fleet.  So there's a stalemate.  France is not
going to leave Tunis if you're right there.  However, if you appear as
if you're retreating to protect the homeland or whatever, France might
move off to defend hers--and then, a year or so down the line, you can
take Tunis.

--TGSotOE

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> Hmm.  At this point, I'm very doubtful that Austria will follow through on
> any promise of support for German troops.  He's pretty much stabbed me in
> the back repeatedly.  Fortunately for him, I'm still too pissed at Russia
> to care.  With no remaining home centers, I'm also not very interested in
> impotently delaying the inevitable.  Do you want Mos this season?  I could
> support you in, and maybe Austria could cut War's support.

That would spread me a little thin right now, don't you think?  If you
take out Warsaw now, that would achieve the same effect in the end.

As for "impotently delaying the inevitable", well, with all the activity
in Eastern Europe, you can be quite the influential force, for a few
years yet.

--TGSotOE

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> Hey Otto, are you still on good terms with Austria?  I'm currently
> trying to patch up with him, at least until England gets beatin down a
> bit; in any case, I was going to suggest getting his support back into
> Warsaw.  My ulterior motive in suggesting this is that in a year or so
> (once I've confirmed that Austria isn't going to hit me from the south)
> I'll be moving north on Russia, which would be easier if Russia had a
> more minimal existence.

Hmm.  At this point, I'm very doubtful that Austria will follow through on
any promise of support for German troops.  He's pretty much stabbed me in
the back repeatedly.  Fortunately for him, I'm still too pissed at Russia
to care.  With no remaining home centers, I'm also not very interested in
impotently delaying the inevitable.  Do you want Mos this season?  I could
support you in, and maybe Austria could cut War's support.




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Subject: To Austria from Turkey
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> > Italy is completely unuseful to me--too far away, too indefensible.  I
> > would, however, be interested in Greece.  Once I have Greece, I would be
> > willing to consider acquisition of more northerly supply centers.
> 
>         And what are you offering in exchange for Greece? What benefit do
> I derive from simply handing you Greece this season?

My promise to stop there?  Seriously, I just can't leave my borders like
this if I'm going to be turning north.  Even if I deeply trusted you,
I'd be constantly worried about a backstab.  If you want me to turn
north, plow through Russia and start working on England, you're going to
have to let me shore up my home defenses first.

Basically, I'm just saying, don't use Serbia to support Greece (or to
attack me, of course).  The Greek fleet can move out or not, I don't
care--I assume you'll be disbanding it if you're serious about moving
north against England, so just leaving it there so you can disband it in
the retreat phase is fine with me.

--TGSotOE

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> Italy is completely unuseful to me--too far away, too indefensible.  I
> would, however, be interested in Greece.  Once I have Greece, I would be
> willing to consider acquisition of more northerly supply centers.

        And what are you offering in exchange for Greece? What benefit do
I derive from simply handing you Greece this season?

The Dual Monarch






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> Do you still want help moving Sevestapol north, or will you need it to
> help defend Rumania?=A0 For the time being I have a pleasant credibility
> with the Russian, and I don't want to tip him that I will help you
> against him unless it's going to finish Russia as a force.=A0 (Yes he'll
> hold Warsaw, but that doesn't threaten me).=A0

This is very frustrating--with Germany right there and Austria right
behind him, I'm having a hard time deciding whether to extend myself
northward.  I think if I could convince myself that Germany would attack
Warsaw (I'm working on it), then I'd go for Moscow now (and retake
Rumania *again* later), but it's still a pretty dodgy proposition.  Talk
about loose cannons.  Oh well, for now, I'd say no, keep supporting
Russia.

> Believe it or not, France just wrote trying to dissuade me from my
> current course of action.=A0 I'm dying to hear what they propose I do
> instead.=A0 If Italy wasn't such a uselessm pustulant little sore, France
> would be doomed right now.=A0 Ah well.=A0 Try to get a strong Mediteranean
> presence as quickly as you can so that you can press the Austrian and
> Italian where they're worst defended.=A0

I'm working on taking Greece right now, and unless Austria is very
clever and willing to devote all his resources toward thwarting that
goal, I should be able to get it.  Hopefully I will then be able to
occupy the keystone of the Mediterranean--the Ionian Sea--and move on
from there.  We'll see.

> For my part, I have to stage a guessing game in Northern Germany and
> hope that I've counted right.=A0 I think I know what I want to do, I'm ju=
st
> waiting to see if France tips their hand about their short term
> intentions or not.

I don't know about their short term intentions, but France and Austria
both have been shrilly trying to gather me into an alliance against you.
As if.

--TGSotOE

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Sultan,

   Do you still want help moving Sevestapol north, or will you need it to
help defend Rumania?  For the time being I have a pleasant credibility
with the Russian, and I don't want to tip him that I will help you
against him unless it's going to finish Russia as a force.  (Yes he'll
hold Warsaw, but that doesn't threaten me). 

   I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to try to do a double support
round to hold the ground he has this season, in which case my support
would be useless anyway.  Unless you know what Germany is going to do. 
Anyway, my support is still yours for the asking, but I do need
confirmation if you're going to use it.

   Believe it or not, France just wrote trying to dissuade me from my
current course of action.  I'm dying to hear what they propose I do
instead.  If Italy wasn't such a uselessm pustulant little sore, France
would be doomed right now.  Ah well.  Try to get a strong Mediteranean
presence as quickly as you can so that you can press the Austrian and
Italian where they're worst defended. 

   For my part, I have to stage a guessing game in Northern Germany and
hope that I've counted right.  I think I know what I want to do, I'm just
waiting to see if France tips their hand about their short term
intentions or not.

Edward VII




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For some reason your overblown sig (--TGSotOE) reminded me of Suleyman's 
signature...which was quite a bit more overblown:

I who am the Sultan of Sultans, the Sovereign of Sovereigns, the
distributor of crowns to the monarchs of the globe, the Shadow of God upon
the Earth, the Sultan and Padishah of the White Sea, the Black Sea,
Rumelia, Anatolia, Karamania, Rum, Dulkadir, Diyarbekir, Kurdistan,
Azerbayjan, Persia, Damascus, Aleppo, Cairo, Mekka, Medina, Jerusalem, all
Arabia, Yemen and those other countries which my noble ancestors - may God
brighten their tombs! - conquered and my august majesty has likewise
conquered with my flaming sword, Sultan Suleyman Khan, son of Sultan
Selim, son of Sultan Bayezid.




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> Nice maneuvering down in the Mediterranean--things are about wrapped up
> for the Italian, it looks like.  We should talk soon about how to carve
> up Austria.

That may prove difficult with England taking half of my supply centers.

France




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I've been thinking over your proposals.  I'm in a frustrating position,
because I really feel that my position is substantially weaker without
Greece, but I really would like England to not be quite so powerful.

You rightly point out that my Albanian army is a problem.  However, note
that none of my units threatens either Serbia or Budapest, and consider
the following move sequence:
  A Ser -> Alb
  A Bud -> Ser
  F Gre S A Ser -> Alb
Assuming for a moment that I don't break the support, this dislodges my
army and allows me to disband it, while still letting you keep the
Serbian supply center.  This is considerably less risky to you than the
convoy solution you suggested.

Now, for the disposition of Greece.  Looking at the map, I suppose I can
concede that a Greece-less front is still relatively manageable.  I'd
actually rather you didn't move into the Ionian, if that's okay--again,
if you're turning north, that shouldn't matter.

And finally, what to do in the north?  It would actually be nice if,
rather than supporting me into the Ukraine, you contacted Germany and
agreed to support him into Warsaw.  If we knock off Germany and leave
two Russian units, they'll support each other and be a pain to get
through.  But a Russia and a Germany with a single unit each, we could
drive through that like a hot knife through butter.

So, to sum up: I'll let you keep Greece, and am amenable to disbanding
the army in Albania; I'll reorient northward; and I'd like you to
support Germany into Warsaw.  Let me know how all of this strikes you.


--TGSotOE

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From: Don Blaheta <dwarf@imsa.edu>
To: "Neil T. Krasovec" <neilk@imsa.edu>
Subject: To England from Turkey
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>    I think there may be a lever we can use.  France
> has been trying to sweet talk me into reconciliation.
> (Presumably so he can get into better position).  What
> if you leak to Austria that I was being tempted by a
> French proposal to stab Austria in Munich.  You could
> imply that I was trying to strongarm you into helping
> me into Moscow to not go back with France.   Imply you
> don't want to be the only one without a dance partner,
> and request something from Austria in exchange for
> setting me up to fail in Moscow.

I don't think you understand how fervent France is being about this.  I
don't think that Austria would believe France capable of colluding with
you for a backstab on him--I'm not sure I'd believe it, at this point.

The corrolary is that France's sweet talking is certainly nothing more
nor less than buying time.

By the way, my negotiations with the German are somewhat promising, and
if I can get him to hit Warsaw, then I'll try a move on Moscow.  I'll
let you know as soon as I find out for sure.

--TGSotOE

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From: "Neil T. Krasovec" <neilk@imsa.edu>
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Subject: To Turkey from Austria
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> My promise to stop there?  Seriously, I just can't leave my borders like
> this if I'm going to be turning north.  Even if I deeply trusted you,
> I'd be constantly worried about a backstab.  If you want me to turn
> north, plow through Russia and start working on England, you're going to
> have to let me shore up my home defenses first.

        Trust has to work both ways, and I have to be able to defend my
borders, too, you know, particularly if I'm going to also be able to
work northwards against England. You are not going to be able to defeat
him yourself, and I don't think France is going to be a worthwhile ally
for either one of us for much longer.

> Basically, I'm just saying, don't use Serbia to support Greece (or to
> attack me, of course).  The Greek fleet can move out or not, I don't
> care--I assume you'll be disbanding it if you're serious about moving
> north against England, so just leaving it there so you can disband it in
> the retreat phase is fine with me.

        Except that I also have an Italian problem to worry about that you
don't have to deal with, or at least that you insist that you have no
desire to deal with, and I need that fleet in order to address it.
Neither can I afford to disband anything else if I'm going to press
towards England and maintain my home defenses.
        We have already de facto exchanged Serbia for Rumania. There are
two primary problems as I see it: your army in Albania and your surplus
of fleets. I am willing to support Sev into the Ukraine so that you can
convoy Constantinople in there behind him next year. In order to do
this, you need a fleet in the Black Sea, and the only one that can get
there is Rumania. Thus, I envision two workable possibilities. One
involves you moving Rumania into the Black Sea and Albania into Serbia,
while I move Serbia into Rumania. Then neither of us loses production.
Next year we trade back, which puts you in a position to focus that army
northwards.
        Alternatively, you pledge not to move on Greece, I move the Greece
fleet into the Ionian, and we convoy the Albanian army back to the Asia
Minor province of your choice next spring. I am, you can understand,
uncomfortable with this idea since your ability to backstab me without
much effort is very large.
        Or, we can continue to fight amongst ourselves and let England win
the game. We are now perfectly arranged that the best we can hope for is
perpetual standstill. I would not exactly call that ideal.

The Dual Monarch



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From: "Neil T. Krasovec" <neilk@imsa.edu>
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Sultan,

   I think there may be a lever we can use.  France
has been trying to sweet talk me into reconciliation.
(Presumably so he can get into better position).  What
if you leak to Austria that I was being tempted by a
French proposal to stab Austria in Munich.  You could
imply that I was trying to strongarm you into helping
me into Moscow to not go back with France.   Imply you
don't want to be the only one without a dance partner,
and request something from Austria in exchange for
setting me up to fail in Moscow.

   If they go for it there are two possiblities.
1- Austria will believe that France is trying to get
back in bed with me and will be too cautious on the
northern front.

2- You might get a useful concession out of Austria,
perhaps you can even think of a way to get him to cut
Russian support.  I don't know.

If you don't want to do this, that's fine.  I have
enough force to pin France's ears back eventually.
But anything that costs them momentum helps us.

Edward VII



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A Sev -> Mos

F Aeg -> EMed
F Bul -> Aeg
A Con -> Bul
F Rum S A Con -> Bul

A Alb -> Ser


-- 
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Why are cigarettes sold in gas stations when smoking is
prohibited there?

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From: Don Blaheta <dwarf@imsa.edu>
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> >   A Ser -> Alb
> >   A Bud -> Ser
> >   F Gre S A Ser -> Alb
> 
>         This plan is amenable to me.

Ok, good.

> > Now, for the disposition of Greece.  Looking at the map, I suppose I can
> > concede that a Greece-less front is still relatively manageable.  I'd
> > actually rather you didn't move into the Ionian, if that's okay--again,
> > if you're turning north, that shouldn't matter.
> 
>         I understand your concern, and while I intend to turn my armies
> north, I reiterate that Italy also needs to be dealt with in some
> fashion. Thus I would ask that next spring you allow the Greek fleet to
> move through the Ionian.

Hm, argh.  Yes, I suppose.

> > And finally, what to do in the north?  It would actually be nice if,
> > rather than supporting me into the Ukraine, you contacted Germany and
> > agreed to support him into Warsaw.  If we knock off Germany and leave
> > two Russian units, they'll support each other and be a pain to get
> > through.  But a Russia and a Germany with a single unit each, we could
> > drive through that like a hot knife through butter.
> 
>         I have sent a missive to the Kaiser. I will let you know when I
> have his response. I presume that to aid the German effort you will be
> striking at Moscow from Sevastopol?

If you guys are doing this, yes.  I'm currently at peace--well,
not-war--with Russia, and so I'd like to only attack him if it will help
something (i.e. let Germany take Warsaw).  Russia has just enough oomph
left to be really irritating to me if he wants to be.

--TGSotOE

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> I've been thinking over your proposals.  I'm in a frustrating position,
> because I really feel that my position is substantially weaker without
> Greece, but I really would like England to not be quite so powerful.

        Agreed, but unfortunately I am in the same tactical position with
the added headache of a flighty Italy to deal with. Particularly now
that France is being forced to pull back.

> You rightly point out that my Albanian army is a problem.  However, note
> that none of my units threatens either Serbia or Budapest, and consider
> the following move sequence:
>   A Ser -> Alb
>   A Bud -> Ser
>   F Gre S A Ser -> Alb
> Assuming for a moment that I don't break the support, this dislodges my
> army and allows me to disband it, while still letting you keep the
> Serbian supply center.  This is considerably less risky to you than the
> convoy solution you suggested.

        This plan is amenable to me.

> Now, for the disposition of Greece.  Looking at the map, I suppose I can
> concede that a Greece-less front is still relatively manageable.  I'd
> actually rather you didn't move into the Ionian, if that's okay--again,
> if you're turning north, that shouldn't matter.

        I understand your concern, and while I intend to turn my armies
north, I reiterate that Italy also needs to be dealt with in some
fashion. Thus I would ask that next spring you allow the Greek fleet to
move through the Ionian.

> And finally, what to do in the north?  It would actually be nice if,
> rather than supporting me into the Ukraine, you contacted Germany and
> agreed to support him into Warsaw.  If we knock off Germany and leave
> two Russian units, they'll support each other and be a pain to get
> through.  But a Russia and a Germany with a single unit each, we could
> drive through that like a hot knife through butter.

        I have sent a missive to the Kaiser. I will let you know when I
have his response. I presume that to aid the German effort you will be
striking at Moscow from Sevastopol?

> So, to sum up: I'll let you keep Greece, and am amenable to disbanding
> the army in Albania; I'll reorient northward; and I'd like you to
> support Germany into Warsaw.  Let me know how all of this strikes you.

        This all strikes me as a very good plan.

The Dual Monarch








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Austria said to me:

>         The Kaiser has agreed to the plan. He is eager to survive.
>         Thus, the set of moves to coordinate this should be:
> 
> GERMAN A Ukraine->Warsaw
> AUSTRIAN A Galacia S (GERMAN) A Ukraine->Warsaw
> TURKISH A Sevastopol->Moscow

I'm glad you agreed to the plan.  Thanks.

--TGSotOE

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> > If you guys are doing this, yes.  I'm currently at peace--well,
> > not-war--with Russia, and so I'd like to only attack him if it will help
> > something (i.e. let Germany take Warsaw).  Russia has just enough oomph
> > left to be really irritating to me if he wants to be.
> 
>         The Kaiser has agreed to the plan. He is eager to survive.
>         Thus, the set of moves to coordinate this should be:
> 
> GERMAN A Ukraine->Warsaw
> AUSTRIAN A Galacia S (GERMAN) A Ukraine->Warsaw
> TURKISH A Sevastopol->Moscow

Excellent.

> Once this is accomplished, Russia is yours. It is too bad you have so
> many fleets.

I'll manage.  In a year or two I'll take Moscow for real, and that will
give me another.  I'll be fine.

--TGSotOE

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> If you guys are doing this, yes.  I'm currently at peace--well,
> not-war--with Russia, and so I'd like to only attack him if it will help
> something (i.e. let Germany take Warsaw).  Russia has just enough oomph
> left to be really irritating to me if he wants to be.

        The Kaiser has agreed to the plan. He is eager to survive.
        Thus, the set of moves to coordinate this should be:

GERMAN A Ukraine->Warsaw
AUSTRIAN A Galacia S (GERMAN) A Ukraine->Warsaw
TURKISH A Sevastopol->Moscow

Once this is accomplished, Russia is yours. It is too bad you have so
many fleets.

The Dual Monarch






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>    Alright.  I haven't been able to see the drama my
> actions have put into motion.  I wish once more that
> the Italian leader were a real player and not some
> sort of gibbering ape-beast.

Ugh, yes.  There's one in every continental war.  *sigh*

> > By the way, my negotiations with the German are
> > somewhat promising, and
> > if I can get him to hit Warsaw, then I'll try a move
> > on Moscow.  I'll
> 
> Excellent.  I'd be willing to keep him around for a
> while.

Ok, I just heard back; we're on.  My Sevastopol army will invade Moscow
this season.  Thank you for your support.

--TGSotOE

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Sultan,

   Alright.  I haven't been able to see the drama my
actions have put into motion.  I wish once more that
the Italian leader were a real player and not some
sort of gibbering ape-beast.

> By the way, my negotiations with the German are
> somewhat promising, and
> if I can get him to hit Warsaw, then I'll try a move
> on Moscow.  I'll

Excellent.  I'd be willing to keep him around for a
while.

Edward VII



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Quoth Don Blaheta:
> A Sev -> Mos
> 
> F Aeg -> EMed
> F Bul -> Aeg
> A Con -> Bul
> F Rum S A Con -> Bul
> 
> A Alb -> Ser

Ok, these moves (same as I submitted before) are now FINAL.  We'll see
how this goes.  Either I just masterminded the elimination of Russia, or
else I just set myself up to lose my entire northern front.  :)

-- 
-=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=-<http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/>-=-
IRS: We've got what it takes to take what you've got.

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> I'm glad you agreed to the plan.  Thanks.

The pleasure is mine.







From dpb Wed Oct 30 12:50:10 2002
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From: Don Blaheta <dpb>
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YESSS!!!

I build two armies, one each in Constantinople and Ankara.

-- 
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If life is like a stage, I want better lighting.

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> Toward this end, I make hereby a blanket offer of German assistance to
> either of you, either in defense or in attacking England, whenever such
> opportunities arise.  But I cannot, will not, aid either of you in
> attacking the other.  You may stand to gain by such maneuvers in the short
> term, but every time one of you orders troops to attack the other, it is
> another step toward long-term victory for England.

Thank you for the offer.  At this time, I think this year is to be one
of behind-the-lines troop movement; I am not planning to attack Austria.
However, it will take at least a year to get my units in sufficient
force on my northern front.

--TGSotOE

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The Sultan has been doing a dance around the palace all day, ever since
the news arrived about our successes in Russia.  I would like to thank
you for your assistance in this regard.  Also, condolences on the loss
of Kiel, but the setback is obviously only temporary.  The Sultan will
be in correspondence with you again soon.

Kemal Tatbul, War Minister

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Greetings, honored neighbors.

First, I would like to thank both of you for benevolently preserving my
government for one more season.  The annihilation of the Cossack scourge
warms my heart.  Also, congratulations are due to the Turk, for the
seizure of Moscow.

Now I must turn to the most pressing issue facing Europe at this time.

Gentlemen, when you have a chance, retire to your war rooms and observe
your maps.  England is stretched across the entire northern third of
Europe like a tilted broad-brimmed derby.  Who shall resist him?  Italy
and myself are emasculated and useless.  France may be able to defend
himself, but will probably not see much expansion.  No.  This task falls
to the Sultan and the Dual Monarch.

I understand that the Turk has seen fit to make at least limited
arrangements to co-operate with England, to his benefit thus far.  I
cannot fault him for this, as long as this is a temporary arrangement
only.  Know this: if Austria and Turkey continue to clash with one
another, then all of Europe may as well just get used to the idea of
living under the heel of British occupation.  The only way this conflict
will end otherwise is if the two of you are able to set aside your
differences, demilitarize your border, and co-operate in the westward and
northward expansion of your alliance.

Toward this end, I make hereby a blanket offer of German assistance to
either of you, either in defense or in attacking England, whenever such
opportunities arise.  But I cannot, will not, aid either of you in
attacking the other.  You may stand to gain by such maneuvers in the short
term, but every time one of you orders troops to attack the other, it is
another step toward long-term victory for England.




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>    We are curious as to how Germany received the
> support he did into Warsaw.  It was an excellent
> diplomatic coup on his part, but does it figure into a
> larger Austrian strategy?

Not to my knowledge--I suggested it to both Germany and Austria, who
knew that I would be attacking Moscow and therefore making the attack
possible.  (They didn't know that I would take Moscow, of course, or
I would have worried about a backstabbing army in Sevastopol!)

It sounds like you have things well in hand.  I am a little bit more
shaky, but I'm confident that I can consolidate my position and start
sweeping westward.

> I forsee a Europe divided between us.  I would hold
> France, Germany and Northern Russia.  You would have
> southers Russia, Italy, Austria.  It's an ambitious
> long range plan, but entirely doable, I should think.

Sounds like a plan.

>    We're planning on leaving our Army in St. Petes for
> the forseeable future, assuming that this doesn't
> bother you.  If you wish support to hold, we'll offer
> it.

I would love to have hold support, but to be honest, I don't actually
foresee Germany attacking me.  Still, it can't hurt.

--TGSotOE

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Dear Mr. Tatbul,

   We of the House of Lords are quite happy that your
campaign this season was such a success.  Of course we
want to congratulate your military on it's fine
efforts.  While there is little need of immediate
coordination between our nations this season, we just
wanted to send you our best.  (And after discussions
with your Ambassador we learned it would probably be
considered an act of war to send you a fine selection
of British cuisine, so we've refrained from sending a
gift-basket)

   We are curious as to how Germany received the
support he did into Warsaw.  It was an excellent
diplomatic coup on his part, but does it figure into a
larger Austrian strategy?

   Kiel was an unfortunate miscalculation.  We assumed
that France would be in such haste to capture supply
centers in the south or to defend it's northern coast,
that we could count Burgundy out of our force
calculations.  We don't intend to make another mistake
this campaign.  Once again, we'd like to urge you,
once you've secured Greece, to put pressure on the
Italians, possibly taking away their Mediteranean
holdings.  The buffer of Italy which kept France so
small in the early game, is also keeping Austria and
France from having to panick.  (Although with your
rapid growth Austria is a bit more nervous now)

   We're confident of securing Germany this year.
Once that's locked down, we're hoping we'll have the
resources to squeeze the French homelands.  I expect
that you'll be able to do well enough in the Balkans
and Greece that Austria won't be able to flank me in
Germany.  If we are able to press our separate
campaigns efficiently and without major setbacks, I
forsee a Europe divided between us.  I would hold
France, Germany and Northern Russia.  You would have
southers Russia, Italy, Austria.  It's an ambitious
long range plan, but entirely doable, I should think.

   We're planning on leaving our Army in St. Petes for
the forseeable future, assuming that this doesn't
bother you.  If you wish support to hold, we'll offer
it.  We wont plan on moving any more troops into
Russian territories. (Unless the diplomatic situation
changes drastically, of course)  You'll eventually
need to deal with the German remnant, I imagine, but
for now, with noone able to or incentivized to move
against anyone else, England is very happy with the
military positions in Northern and Central Russia.

   If you need any furthur military support which we
could readily give, just ask.  England is not stingy
in its support of its friends.  Stay in touch.





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Yikes!  With all the Halloween craziness I almost forgot about this.
Thank goodness England sent me press.

A Mos S A StP

A Ank -> Arm

F Rum -> BLA
A Bul -> Rum
A Con -> Bul
F AEG S A Con -> Bul
F EMED S F AEG


-- 
-=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=-<http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/>-=-
In a Podiatrist's window: "Time wounds all heels." 

From dpb Fri Nov  1 17:33:54 2002
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I thought I'd send an explanation of what's happening between me and
England.  Essentially, until I can get myself into a position to stab
him, there's no point in tipping my hand and letting him know I'm
against him--this past season he actually supported me in my bid to
bump up against the borders of his empire!  Once I can get a second unit
up that way (next year), I'll be all set to take him down a peg.
Fortunately, however swift his takeover of France, it will not be
instantaneous, and I will have time to maneuver into position.

--TGSotOE

(PS: best of luck on the ensuing guessing game with Italy.)

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Grand Sultan,

        Now that you have your armies, what are your plans in the north?
Specifically, how much do you trust your current truce with England? I was
thinking that you could support me into Warsaw this season, since leaving
Moscow would open it up for England to claim it. We can then begin
shifting forces northwards in earnest to face the English menace.

The Dual Monarch




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To Turkey from Austria

Your strategy regarding England certainly makes a lot of sense. As we
demilitarize the Balkans, your offensive against him will certainly
become easier. Please do not hesitate to request any assistance I can
offer.

The Dual Monarch









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Grand Sultan,

        You never responded to my request regarding Warsaw. What do you
propose we do about the lone German army sitting there?

The Dual Monarch





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/* Written  8:04 am  Nov  5, 2002 by neilk in =alt.jarf */ 
The game got delayed while I went out of town for the weekend.

I'm not going to have moves ready until tonight, so the deadline for moves
is pushed back to 9pm Central tonight.
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These are the moves that were originally due last Friday, right?  And
that I've already submitted?  Has anyone actually not submitted them
yet?

-- 
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I have two personalities. One is paranoid, and the other is out to get him.
							--Steven Wright

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Yes, yes.  Same season.

On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Don Blaheta wrote:

> /* Written  8:04 am  Nov  5, 2002 by neilk in =alt.jarf */ 
> The game got delayed while I went out of town for the weekend.
> 
> I'm not going to have moves ready until tonight, so the deadline for moves
> is pushed back to 9pm Central tonight.
> /* End of text from =alt.jarf */ 
> 
> These are the moves that were originally due last Friday, right?  And
> that I've already submitted?  Has anyone actually not submitted them
> yet?
> 
> 


From dpb Thu Nov  7 15:00:05 2002
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I see that your last stand against the Franco-Austrian alliance has
fallen; my condolences.  I wish I could help you make a comeback, but I
fear I am too far away.  I may be able to help you get revenge,
though--would you be interested?

--TGSotOE

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I don't see much I can help you with right now, but I thought I'd check
in.  Any ideas?

--TGSotOE

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A Arm -> Sev
A Mos S A War

A Rum S A Arm -> Sev
F BLA S A Rum

A Bul -> Gre
F AEG S A Bul -> Gre
F EMED -> ION

-- 
-=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=-<http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/>-=-
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.

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> I don't see much I can help you with right now, but I thought I'd check
> in.  Any ideas?

I'm OK for the time being.  Thanks for not supporting Austria against me.
I have to assume that's why he gave that order; I can't really provide any
support worth cutting to anyone right now.



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> Tell me what you want me to do.

Support my fleet from the Eastern Mediterranean into the Ionian.

--TGSotOE

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Tell me what you want me to do.





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Okay.






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Grand Sultan,

        I am concerned that you have made no further response regarding
Warsaw, and that instead of responding you are continuing your alliance
with England. Even if your response is a rejection of the proposal, some
response would be appreciated.

The Dual Monarch




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Still waiting on a build from you...


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Quoth Neil T. Krasovec:
> 
> Still waiting on a build from you...
> 

Sorry; I wanted to wait until I saw Austria's retreats, then I got mad
busy.  I'll build an army in Constantinople.

-- 
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I'm about to go to bed with a guy I have to look at my dad's name all
over his underwear."					--Marci Klein

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F ION -> Tun
F AEG -> ION

A Con -> Bul
A Gre S A Con -> Bul
A Rum S A Con -> Bul
F BLA S A Rum

A Mos -> Lvn
A Sev -> Mos

-- 
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> Grand Sultan,
>         Your fleet is poised to strike at French holdings in North Africa.
> We would like to point out that any move that weakens France only serves
> to strengthen England.

Taken under advisement.

--TGSotOE

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Grand Sultan,
        Your fleet is poised to strike at French holdings in North Africa.
We would like to point out that any move that weakens France only serves
to strengthen England.

France





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Your concerns are noted, and I can assure you that I am happy with the
arrangement in the central Mediterranean, and have no problems with you
"rattling France's cage", as you so quaintly put it.

--TGSotOE

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It's simply a race between you and England to get to the requisite number
of supply centers now.  England's winning, but there's no reason you can't
catch him in time.

That being said, I have no objection to your taking Tunis from France.
Obviously, there's nothing I can do about it now.  But I wanted you to
know that even if you take it in 1906 and leave it alone to concentrate on
Austria, I will not attempt to take it from you, and would even be willing
(for appropriate assurances) to defend it for you.

My motivation here is threefold.  First, I don't want you distracted from
taking Austria off my flank.  Second, I don't mind seeing France taken
down a supply center.  Finally, once you get done eating Austria, I'd
prefer that you know there's no reason to turn on Italy.

That being said, please let me know how I can be of help.




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Just "closing the loop":

I just sent a note to France, basically rubbing his nose in the fact that,
back in mid-October, he gave me "two years" to live if I didn't stop
attacking Marseilles.  Permit me these little displays of hubris...

Of more interest to you, I also sent a note to Austria, declaring my
generally non-hostile intentions towards him.  If I'm going to rattle
France's cage, I'd prefer not to have Austria angry at me as well.

I tell you this because I don't want Austria using this communication (or
some modified form thereof) to give you any thoughts that I'm considering
an alliance with Austria against you.




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You certainly do impressive work.  We were wondering: about how many
years do you estimate that it will take for you to finish off France?
Obviously slightly longer than otherwise due to the army/fleet
situation, but still not very long, I think.

--TGSotOE

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Sultan,

     It's hard to say.  Everything depends on the actions of others.  I
appreciate your praise, although coming from such a successful conqueror
as yourself, it's hard to take seriously.  I may have more now, but
you've come farther, since Austria's near succesful stab, than I think
anyone expected.  France is nattering away at me with requests for his
own survival, but no concrete proposals.  What should I tell him, "I have
no objection to you surviving.  I see you having a role similar to that
of Germany in Europe's future, as an exiled vassal army?"  Of course
not.  Regardless, things are going well for both of us.  I am
increasingly looking forward to the day when we meet in the middle.

England



P.M. Gascoyne-Cecil
3rd Marquess of Salisbury
England




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> I guess the question is, is your unit in the Ionian to pick up the free
> supply center in Tunis, or do you have plans to encircle Austria in the
> Adriatic?

I do not have plans to move into the Adriatic.

--TGSotOE

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To Turkey from Italy

I guess the question is, is your unit in the Ionian to pick up the free
supply center in Tunis, or do you have plans to encircle Austria in the
Adriatic?

Obviously, there's nothing I can do about either course, but I'd prefer if
you'd just scoop up Tunis and be done with it.  I'm engaged in a two-front
Sitzkrieg right now, and I'd prefer not to have a third party with a unit
outside Venice.




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Someone get their orders in late again?

-- 
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Commitment, n.:
	Commitment can be illustrated by a breakfast of ham and eggs.
The chicken was involved, the pig was committed.

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Eh, I'm being lazy.  Actually, I'm working on them now...

On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Don Blaheta wrote:

> Someone get their orders in late again?
> 
> 


From dpb Mon Nov 18 01:21:08 2002
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Don't take this the wrong way, but I was getting a little bit itchy
about your progress in acquiring supply centers; as of this year you
have 13 and I have 8.  As such, I had planned to borrow StP for a year
just to keep things more even; but it looks like France put up more of a
defense than I expected in the west.  Thus, I'll be moving on Warsaw
instead.  Sorry for the difficulty, and good luck against France.

-TGSotOE

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Hey.  What's up with the move on the Ionian?

--TGSotOE

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A Lvn -> War
A Mos S A Lvn -> War

F Tun -> ION

F AEG -> Gre
A Gre -> Ser
A Bul S A Gre -> Ser
A Rum S A Gre -> Ser
F BLA S A Rum

These moves are by no means final yet.

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to learn some problem solving skills."		--anonymous rumours

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Sorry about the bounce in Ionian.  You can see why I did it, I hope:  I
needed to make sure that your fleet in Tunis wasn't followed by another
fleet... Two Turkish pieces in Western or Central Med starts to look like 
an
offensive on Italy...

That being said... Obviously, you have to hold Tunis this year to keep the
supply center.  Would you mind supporting my fleet into Tyrrhenian?

Also, I'd appreciate it if you not move into Ionian this year...

Let me know your thoughts.




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To Turkey from Italy

Apparently, our notes crossed in the mail.

I'll go back through the correspondences, but I thought I made it clear
that I didn't want a massive Turkish influx into Central/Western Med.  If
I'm wrong, I apologize, and I'll say it now:  I don't want a massive
Turkish influx into Central/Western Med.

Look:  I'm committing to respecting your sovereignty over Tunis, even
after you leave it.  I'll even protect it from France or (down the road)  
England. That's IN RETURN FOR you focusing the rest of your efforts on
Austria, Germany, and purging the Russian territory of foreign (read:  
"non-Turkish") influence.

If you like, you can sit in Tunis for the fall, collect your supply
center, and then move the TUNIS unit back to Ionian in the Spring.

I realize there's very little I can do, short of allying with Austria, to
stop you from doing a supported move into Ionian in the fall.  But I'd
really like to avoid owing the Austrian a favor, so I don't see myself
doing that.  That being said, I'd REALLY like you to put off moving into
the Ionian until the Spring and, when you do take Ionian, that you do so
from Tunis.



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To Turkey from France

Grand Sultan,
        It was with the heaviest of hearts that our officers in Tunis
reported the loss of that supply center to your nation.  We had hoped that
the Turks would prove worthy allies in our fight against the hated
English.  Perhaps we still can be allies.
        I make the same offer to you that I made to the dying Austrian.
Ally with me, keep Italy's attention away from French centers so that
France can concentrate on the British, and France will assist you in
taking Italian supply centers when she can afford to spare the troops.
        A simple calculation of centers in and around Italy, Austria,
Russia, and Turkey, without taking into account Tunis equals 17, or one
fewer than you will need to win.  Once you reach that point, it will be a
simple matter for your fleets to take Tunis and win the game.  France will
surely be no threat to you.  However, if France loses Tunis this turn, my
ability to stop England from swelling with English, German, and French
centers (a total of 16, again without considering Tunis) will dimish
rapidly.
        England already turns her forces eastward.  She is making a
mistake in splitting her forces so early.  She should have finished me
first.  However, there is life in France yet, so long as Turkey does not
take French centers from behind.
        In short, I ask you to vacate Tunis and leave it in French hands
for the forseeable future.  My fleet in the area will lend you assistance
when it can.  We care little beyond survival and the demise of England and
Italy.

France



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Quoth Neil T. Krasovec:
> Moves are up -- and I need a retreat (and build(s)).

Argh!  Forgot about this---I meant to change my moves after the
correspondence with Italy.  Oh well, I guess I'll make out like I meant
to do that. :P

I'll retreat to Sevastopol.  I'll let you know my build once I've
thought about it a bit more.

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Moves are up -- and I need a retreat (and build(s)).


From dpb Wed Nov 20 18:35:13 2002
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I build an army in Constantinople.

-- 
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The steady state of disks is full.

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> I am a bit confused at your abandonment of Tunis before you were able to
> take credit for the  supply center.

I had an early set of orders based on you wanting the Ionian, that I
forgot to update after your message to me.  It's... unfortunate.

> My concern here is that you've cut some sort of deal with France, whereby
> you let him keep Tunis and put some pressure on my southern flank, in
> return for him slowing down England's supply-center count.

I'm certainly going to let him think that.

> Needless to say, this is annoying.  What are your plans for the unit in
> the Ionian in the Spring?  If you want Tunis, just say so.  On the other
> hand, if you want Naples, just let me know, and I'll take Tunis.

I'll be using the unit in the Ionian to take Tunis.

--TGSotOE

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I am a bit confused at your abandonment of Tunis before you were able to
take credit for the  supply center.

My concern here is that you've cut some sort of deal with France, whereby
you let him keep Tunis and put some pressure on my southern flank, in
return for him slowing down England's supply-center count.

Needless to say, this is annoying.  What are your plans for the unit in
the Ionian in the Spring?  If you want Tunis, just say so.  On the other
hand, if you want Naples, just let me know, and I'll take Tunis.

I'd prefer not to quarrel with you over this.  You've got a good thing
going in Austria and have already opened up a front with England, the only
guy who can give you a run for the win.

I'm going to use my Venice and Tyrrhenian units to keep you out of Naples,
if not in the Spring, then at least to bump you out in the Fall.  So in
the name of efficiency, we may as well just hash this out, decide who's
taking what, and save ourselves two seasons of sparring.






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Grand Sultan,
        My thanks for vacating Tunis prior to the Winter season.  Alas,
that England did not bounce me out of Marseilles so that I could take
advantage of the unexpected build.
        I harbor no illusions that Tunis will remain French territory for       
much longer, although Italy may yet turn northward and launch an attack on
my southern ports.
        You seem to have things well in hand with the Austrian, although
the Isle King appears to me knocking on your door in Poland.  I would also
urge you to devote any resources that you have to the Italian.  It may be
that he will abandon his "stagnate at 3 units forever" policy in favor of
a "do the reasonable thing" policy; which may include making advances on
Trieste in addition to Tunis.  You may find it difficult to deal with him
if he is successful in this, for he may be able to expand into Iberia with
additional forces.
        Even though I have not heard from you concerning my peace
overtures last year, I will assume that we do not work to cross purposes.
I will devote any resources that I may have in stunting the expansion of
the Italian, however, I fear that mighty France is not long for this
world.

France






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War -> Gal
Mos S Lvn -> StP

Sev -> Rum
BLA S Sev -> Rum
Ser S Sev -> Rum

Bul -> Gre

Con -> Apu
ION C Con -> Apu
AEG C Con -> Apu

-- 
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One good turn gets most of the blankets.

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Sorry about that whole Livonia business back there--I just panicked,
that's all there is to it.  I really misplayed that last year; not only
did I scare you with that move, I totally misjudged Italy, thinking he'd
try for Ionian again (which would have bounced me back into Tunis)... ah
well, hindsight 's 20/20, I suppose.

--TGSotOE

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>         My thanks for vacating Tunis prior to the Winter season.  Alas,
> that England did not bounce me out of Marseilles so that I could take
> advantage of the unexpected build.

*sigh* Yes.  I had hoped you'd be able to better fend off England, but I
neglected to account for your home centers being full.

>         You seem to have things well in hand with the Austrian, although
> the Isle King appears to me knocking on your door in Poland.  I would also
> urge you to devote any resources that you have to the Italian.  It may be
> that he will abandon his "stagnate at 3 units forever" policy in favor of
> a "do the reasonable thing" policy; which may include making advances on
> Trieste in addition to Tunis.  You may find it difficult to deal with him
> if he is successful in this, for he may be able to expand into Iberia with
> additional forces.

Hopefully not; we shall see.

>         Even though I have not heard from you concerning my peace
> overtures last year, I will assume that we do not work to cross purposes.
> I will devote any resources that I may have in stunting the expansion of
> the Italian, however, I fear that mighty France is not long for this
> world.

I have a delicate arrangement with England right now, but we aren't what
I'd call allies.  I'll try to lend what support I can without doing
anything obvious.

--TGSotOE

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Okay.  I can see that; in fact, going through my old correspondences, I
thought that might be the explanation.

Again -- do me a favor, and don't move the Aegean fleet into Ionian this
year.  I have no problem with that Ionian fleet being in Tunis, or Ionian,
or Tyrrhenian, or Western Med, or whatever.  It's an unsupported
privateering unit, as far as I'm concerned, just roaming around, scooping
up French supply centers wherever it can get them.  With Italy's blessing
and -- when necessary -- support.

My concern starts when a second fleet gets out there.  That's when it
becomes an active threat to Italy.

Since you've now got territory bordering Ionian as well (Greece), I'm
willing to promise to leave Ionian alone as well this year -- for
clarity's sake, both Spring and Fall.

Anyway, don't take it personally, but I'm going to have to move to protect
Naples this season.  My present intention is to move as follows:

A PIE -> TUS
A VEN -> ROM
A TYN -> NAP

Since -- worst-case scenario (a Turkish stab) -- that would bounce us in
Naples this year, and give me a support on a move into Naples next year.  
If you're moving to Tunis, then I'm simply in the embarrassing position of
having no clear offensive objective in the fall.

Again -- if you're taking Tunis, please don't follow it with a move Aegean
into Ionian.  Given my defensive posture in my spring moves, there is NO
POSSIBLE chance for short-term gain, and all it'll serve to do is harm our
very good relations.



From dwarf@imsa.edu Fri Nov 22 15:52:29 2002
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:52:29 -0500
From: Don Blaheta <dwarf@imsa.edu>
To: "Neil T. Krasovec" <neilk@imsa.edu>
Subject: To Italy from Turkey, cc England
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> France says you two have an alliance.  I want in.

We have an agreement.  It basically consists of "let's not attack each
other this season".  There's not really any "in" to want.

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France says you two have an alliance.  I want in.






-----Original Message-----
Subject: To Italy and Austria from France



My partners in seemingly eventual elimination:

        For some time I have been bothered by what appears to be a great
deal of posturing between the two largest nations in Europe, Turkey and
England.  For instead of directly attacking each other in northern Russia
and Poland, they have been staring each other down.  This made little
sense to me.
        Unfortunately, it has all just become much clearer.  Perhaps I am
the last person on the board to learn this, but England and Turkey have an
arrangement (perhaps not an alliance) at the moment.  This was explicitly
stated to me by Turkey in a recent communication.
        Surely this arrangement is designed to last until one or more of
us are eliminated.  No doubt, England intends to claim France and Turkey
will destroy Austria.  Italy will only help them if she attacks from her
position.
        I don't know if there is anything that we can do, for combined we
are no match for the strength of both their nations.  England will soon
force her way into the Mid-Atlantic, and all of my strength will be needed
to maintain my home supply centers.  Alas, Austria's position appears even
weaker than my own.  Italy has little room to maneuver against anyone but
her closest neighbors.
        Perhaps the only chance we three have is by
                (a) banding together, and
                (b) forcing a conflict between Turkey and England.
        As I said, I'm an unsure that at this stage anything can be done.
I am open to any suggestions either of you may have.

France



From dpb Sun Nov 24 04:09:49 2002
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...whenever you put up the latest round results.  I'm flying home today,
and while I'll probably check my email at some point I'm likely to
forget to check the dip page or the notesfiles. :)

-- 
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unix is an operating system, os/2 is half an operating system, 
windows is a shell, and dos is a boot partition virus.

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Quoth Neil T. Krasovec:
> I hope you have a good flight.

Yup, great, aside from getting security-checked (twice!). :P

> I posted the moves, and you're evicted from War and Ser.  I need to know 
> where you want to retreat those units...

Sorry for taking so long.  Drat!  Damn that English bastard anyway.
Umm, I retreat to Ukraine and Budapest, respectively.

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I hope you have a good flight.

I posted the moves, and you're evicted from War and Ser.  I need to know 
where you want to retreat those units...

Thanks.

On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Don Blaheta wrote:

> ...whenever you put up the latest round results.  I'm flying home today,
> and while I'll probably check my email at some point I'm likely to
> forget to check the dip page or the notesfiles. :)
> 
> 


From dpb@cs.brown.edu Mon Nov 25 15:39:24 2002
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Quoth Neil T. Krasovec:
> I'll process the first retreat to Ukr.  The second one should be Bul, not 
> Bud, right?  I'm not sure the correct rule for writing down an illegal 
> retreat.  Maybe I should make you disband it.  Eh, I'm not going to track 
> down a rulebook -- just confirm that you meant Bulgaria.  Thanks.

Ack, I've been confusing those two all along, just remembering to check
until now!  If you'd make it to Bulgaria, that'd be fantastic....

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I've generally been lucky with the security checks, although I did get hit 
last time I flew (which was the big trip to Slovenia and Croatia in 
September).  Maybe they thought I was trying to smuggle cigarettes home or 
something.

I'll process the first retreat to Ukr.  The second one should be Bul, not 
Bud, right?  I'm not sure the correct rule for writing down an illegal 
retreat.  Maybe I should make you disband it.  Eh, I'm not going to track 
down a rulebook -- just confirm that you meant Bulgaria.  Thanks.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Don Blaheta wrote:

> Quoth Neil T. Krasovec:
> > I hope you have a good flight.
> 
> Yup, great, aside from getting security-checked (twice!). :P
> 
> > I posted the moves, and you're evicted from War and Ser.  I need to know 
> > where you want to retreat those units...
> 
> Sorry for taking so long.  Drat!  Damn that English bastard anyway.
> Umm, I retreat to Ukraine and Budapest, respectively.
> 
> 


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The commentator is just not paying any attention, is he.  He implied
that Italian loss of an SC is contingent on an alliance between me and
Austria, which it is not, and that Austria and I have been cooperating
in the northeast, which we most certainly have not.  If anything, we're
looking at an AE alliance up there.  :P

-- 
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The more we disagree, the more chance there is that at least one of us
is right.

From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Nov 25 18:49:58 2002
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Subject: Re: To Turkey from France
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> Is there any possibility that Tunis will still be under my control come
> this winter?

Signs point to "no", but it's possible.

--TGSotOE

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Is there any possibility that Tunis will still be under my control come
this winter?

France







From dpb Mon Nov 25 18:51:36 2002
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Ok, what does this mean then?  I assume you have some explanation for
your support of Austria into Warsaw.

--TGSotOE

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...or I could, you know, look at the map.  I now see what the
commentator was talking about wrt Italy (he's still smoking something
about the situation in the northeast).

F ION -> Tun
F AEG -> ION
A Apu -> Nap

A Bul -> Ser
A Rum S A Bul -> Ser
A Gre S A Bul -> Ser
F BLA S A Rum

A Ukr -> War
A Mos S A Ukr -> War

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From dpb Mon Nov 25 18:59:45 2002
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:59:45 -0500
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The Americans certainly seem to think that now is the time for us to
ally against the English threat.  How do you feel about that?

--TGSotOE

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Yeah, well, he's been locked up for a while so his mind may be getting a 
little soft.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Don Blaheta wrote:

> The commentator is just not paying any attention, is he.  He implied
> that Italian loss of an SC is contingent on an alliance between me and
> Austria, which it is not, and that Austria and I have been cooperating
> in the northeast, which we most certainly have not.  If anything, we're
> looking at an AE alliance up there.  :P
> 
> 


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> The Americans certainly seem to think that now is the time for us to
> ally against the English threat.  How do you feel about that?

        And what possible reason would I have to trust you at this stage?  
If you want an alliance against the English, you're going to have to make
the first demonstration of good will. I tried to tell you before that you
and I would only reach a stalemate, and you stabbed me in the back,
anyway. If you want my trust, make an overture. Actions speak louder than
words. Both Greece and Venice look inviting.

The Dual Monarch



From dpb Sat Nov 30 05:33:03 2002
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Ok, looks like Austria _and_ Italy are going to throw the game to
England.  Oh well.

I build an army in Constantinople and a fleet in Smyrna.

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the answers.

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Sultan,

    That was a costly miscalculation in the south.  I regret that you
were not more succesful in robbing France of his SCs, though it wouldn't
make a material difference this year.  I was quite a bit shocked at your
abrupt northerly mobilization, and did not for a minute believe you when
you said that you intended to attack Warsaw.  As a result I ended up
taking a guess as to which direction your attack might come in and
countered it as best as I was able.  You see the results.  I think if
we're going to have peace in northern Russia we both need to scale troops
back from the zone.  I will leave a stregth two garison in place to
defend St. Petes in case you go on any other surprise maneuvers.  And you
can then concentrate your forces on engulfing Austria.

    France is going to be tieing me down for far longer than either of us
expected.  I'm going to have to flank him well to be able to gain any
more SCs, and I'm going to have to force him to continuously occupy his
home SCs to have a hope of preventing him getting his pending build. 
Good luck against Austria.  But not too much good luck, eh?

England

ps - I'm not at all sure how to respond to the Italian message.  To deny
friendship with your nation would seem treacherous.  To admit it and
refuse friendship would undermine my goodwill with others.  Have you
decided what you're going to tell him?




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Oh, for Pete's sake.

Look, I don't know what kind of deal you have with Austria, but why don't
you just convoy that Apulian unit to Tunis, take that supply center
uncontested, and leave me alone.

Seriously.  Austria thinks you're going to take Rome or Naples this round,
and is going to use its unit in Trieste to cut support (or try to take a
supply center) from Venice.  That means you'll be able to take Serbia (and
Tunis, as mentioned) and pick up two more units.  In 1908, you get
Budapest and Vienna uncontested (England will have to choose between
making a run on Vienna or maintaining a front on Warsaw).  That gives you
13 units at the beginning of 1909, and one less neighbor.

Better still, you've got a relatively weak Italy basically acting as a
buffer in the Mediterranean, boxing out France and (once France falls)
England.  By 1909, your fleets will own the Mediterranean.  You'll
basically be able to either pick me off at your will or start convoying
units to Marseilles and Iberia for the win (assuming the eastern front
holds where it is).

You pop me out of the game, and suddenly you've got TWO fronts with the
English, a new front with the French, and a whole lot of new variables.  
For what amounts to one supply center and the headache of wheeling support
around to maintain and slowly advance through Italy.

It is your call.  Just wanted to make my case.



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Sultan,

   You violated the spirit of our arrangement when you moved to attack
St. Petersburg.  That you withheld the attack does not make your actions
less offensive.  I am merely playing the proxy war by the same rules you
are.

England



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>  You violated the spirit of our arrangement when you moved to attack
> St. Petersburg. That you withheld the attack does not make your actions
> less offensive. I am merely playing the proxy war by the same rules you
> are.

At least admit what you're doing.  You got close enough to make a run
for 18 centers, while pushing Austria into position to block my advance.
You'll note that I still haven't attacked you, while you have both
supported an attack on me and attacked me yourself, outright.  That's
the way war goes, but I won't have you claiming that you are merely
following my lead.

I'm still open for a two-way division of the continent, but I have
little hope of that left.

--TGSotOE

From dpb Tue Dec  3 16:57:27 2002
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A Ukr -> War
A Mos S A Ukr -> War

A Con -> Sev
F BLA C A Con -> Sev

F Smy -> AEG

F Tun -> TYS
A Nap -> Rom

A Gre -> Alb
F ION S A Gre -> Alb

A Rum -> Bud
A Ser S A Rum -> Bud

-- 
-=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=-<http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/>-=-
Thank you for sending me a copy of your book. I'll waste no time reading
it.							--Moses Hadas

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Turkey,

    I am making a run for 18.  I never said I wouldn't try for 18.  You
forced me into moving against you by threatening St. Petes.  I didn't get
involved in directly supporting Austria until you ended the stalemate in
that part of the world.  Yes, we are in all out war now.  This is now. 
Then, we were in mutual non-conflict, and you worried me into attacking. 
Then is gone, and now we fight.  I said I was willing to take a two way
conditional on there being a stalemate against me.  No such stalemate
exists. 

England




From dpb Fri Dec 13 17:38:33 2002
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Assuming none of AIF takes any centres this season, it should end this
round anyway, so we might as well play it out.  I still have at least a
remote chance at a two-way, though, if I can talk any of them into
supporting me (or rather, attacking England).


A ukr S a sev -> mos
a sev -> mos

f ion -> tun
f tyn -> rom
a rom -> ven
f aeg -> ion
f bla -> con

a alb -> tri
a rum -> bud
a ser s a rum -> bud


-- 
-=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=-<http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/>-=-
I may look lazy, but on a cellular level I'm really busy.

From dpb Fri Dec 13 17:49:24 2002
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As I'm sure you've noticed, we're in the last days now.  How it ends is
largely up to you.  If you want to just give up and throw in the towel,
England will finish his sweep through the continent and take the win.

If, on the other hand, you two collectively make a stand, you can at
least deny him the pleasure of a solo victory, maybe.  Certainly you can
at least retake Spain and Marseilles between the two of you, possibly
Brest or Paris as well if England misplays.  Specifically:

France: 
F West S F GoL - Spa
A Gas - Mar
A Bur - Par

Italy:
F GoL - Spa
A Pie S A Gas - Mar

Assuming that England will use his MAt fleet to attack Portugal, this
set of moves is guaranteed to give you Spain and Marseilles.  By moving
Gascony out of the way and having Burgundy attack Paris, there is a
possibility that France will take Paris (if England attacks Gascony from
there) or hold Brest (if England attacks from there and doesn't move his
English Channel fleet into Brest).

Or, you can hand England the win.  Your call.  There's really not much I
can do about it.

--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

From dpb Fri Dec 13 17:55:31 2002
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Well, the end is near.  How it ends is largely up to you.  Obviously, if
you support England through to the end, he'll take the win as has seemed
inevitable all game.  I guess I can't really fault you for being tired
of this and wanting to just quit.

If, on the other hand, you are still playing the game, it is still
possible to deny England the solo.  I'll be moving my Sevastopol army
back into Moscow this season.  You can support my move, or not, your
call.  There's really not much I can do about it at this point.

--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

From dpb Fri Dec 13 17:56:44 2002
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Well, it looks like you've done it.  I assume Austria will finish
throwing the game to you this season, and then you'll have 18 centers.
Congratulations, and well played.

--The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire

From dpb Fri Dec 13 17:57:31 2002
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That should not be construed as an actual concession-of-game.  Just so
you know.  "At least one of the powers has not consented" and all that.

-- 
-=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=-<http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/>-=-
Why isn't phonetic spelled the way it sounds?

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Of course, of course ;)


On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Don Blaheta wrote:

> That should not be construed as an actual concession-of-game.  Just so
> you know.  "At least one of the powers has not consented" and all that.
> 
> 


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Thank you. 

I liked you best of all those I allied with and/or stabbed.  And it was
fun.

England




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Make that "You have my support, if you remove your unit from Rome and make
no attempt to take Venice or to support Austria into Venice."

I have no problem keeping England from winning the game.  But I'm not
going to do it at the cost of eliminating myself from the game.  If you
and Austria are just going to cut me out of the game at the end of this
season, I'd much prefer that the game not go on without me.



From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Dec 16 18:21:55 2002
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:21:55 -0500
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Neil, was there an earlier message from Italy here?  I haven't gotten
anything dip-related for a couple days---the last one was England's "I
liked you best" email.  If I missed anything, could you resend?

Also, just fyi, I'm driving home tonight, so I'll be incommunicado
starting a few hours from now until late tomorrow night.  This shouldn't
affect the game, but I figured I should let you know.

Quoth Neil T. Krasovec:
> Make that "You have my support, if you remove your unit from Rome and make
> no attempt to take Venice or to support Austria into Venice."
> 
> I have no problem keeping England from winning the game.  But I'm not
> going to do it at the cost of eliminating myself from the game.  If you
> and Austria are just going to cut me out of the game at the end of this
> season, I'd much prefer that the game not go on without me.

-- 
-=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=-<http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/>-=-
"The bland leadeth the bland and they both shall fall into the kitsch."

From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Dec 17 20:58:55 2002
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:58:55 -0500
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Quoth Neil T. Krasovec:
> Actually, I didn't get anything else from Italy.  Odd.
> 
> I need moves from you -- they're supposed to be due tonight at 9pm...

I sent them in last Friday.  They may change in the next hour, though;
I'm looking at things right now.

-- 
-=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=-<http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/>-=-
"The buffet table is properly set so that it would form an attractive
pattern if viewed by a guest hanging from the chandelier."
							--Miss Manners

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To: Don Blaheta <dwarf@imsa.edu>
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Actually, I didn't get anything else from Italy.  Odd.

I need moves from you -- they're supposed to be due tonight at 9pm...

On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Don Blaheta wrote:

> Neil, was there an earlier message from Italy here?  I haven't gotten
> anything dip-related for a couple days---the last one was England's "I
> liked you best" email.  If I missed anything, could you resend?
> 
> Also, just fyi, I'm driving home tonight, so I'll be incommunicado
> starting a few hours from now until late tomorrow night.  This shouldn't
> affect the game, but I figured I should let you know.
> 
> Quoth Neil T. Krasovec:
> > Make that "You have my support, if you remove your unit from Rome and make
> > no attempt to take Venice or to support Austria into Venice."
> > 
> > I have no problem keeping England from winning the game.  But I'm not
> > going to do it at the cost of eliminating myself from the game.  If you
> > and Austria are just going to cut me out of the game at the end of this
> > season, I'd much prefer that the game not go on without me.
> 
> 


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As I just emailed to Turkey, you have my support if (a) Turkey withdraws
from Rome, and (b) neither Turkey nor Austria attemps any move into 
Venice.

This offer good for one round only -- since, after that round, either (1)
you guys stabbed me, and I'm out of the game, (2) I stabbed you, and 
England
has won, or (3) everyone has honored their agreement, and we can start
worrying about what to do with our new united-front against England in 
1909.

I'm leaving France out of this email, because France's moves are 
irrelevant.
He can neither harm England should I choose to stab him, nor hurt England 
if
I choose to help him.  And including France on this email only makes one
more possible leak to England.

Oh, and do you guys really have a chance in the East, no matter what you 
do?
I mean, it all comes down to how the following orders resolve, and I don't
remember how the ships-passing rule works:

AUSTRIA A WAR -> MOS
TURKEY A UKR SUPP A WAR -> MOS
TURKEY A SEV SUPP A WAR -> MOS
RUSSIA A MOS -> WAR
RUSSIA A SIL SUPP A MOS -> WAR




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I'd like to thank Austria for leaking to England the substance and
specifics of my last email.  Not to sound too huffy about it, but I
suspect that Turkey can assume from this unfriendly act that Austria is
not on-board on this little Grand Alliance plan.

Turkey, you still have my support, for the simple reason that I need you
out of Rome if I'm to stay in the game.  Especially given that it looks
like Austria's going to stab us.  I'll be down to one supply center, which
I can continue to use as a thorn in England's side, assuming we survive
the Fall after Austria's treachery.




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> I'm leaving France out of this email, because France's moves are 
> irrelevant.
> 
> He can neither harm England should I choose to stab him, nor hurt England 
> if
> I choose to help him.  And including France on this email only makes one
> more possible leak to England.

Did you not get my earlier message?  If you and France do something
substantially like

France: 
F West S F GoL - Spa
A Gas - Mar
A Bur - Par

Italy:
F GoL - Spa
A Pie S A Gas - Mar

then you each take (at least) one SC away from England, guaranteed.  But
if you haven't already submitted those orders, now is probably too late
to coordinate.

> Oh, and do you guys really have a chance in the East, no matter what you 
> do?

Privately, if I were England, even if I got Austria to swear on a stack
of Bibles to support me, I'd still hit him in Warsaw; since at this
point it's about that final grab for SCs, and there's always a chance
that Austria would renege and support Turkey, and with StP supporting
Moscow there's no chance that Turkey could retake Moscow *unless*
Austria helped.

I'm assuming that England is relatively smart in this respect, and so I
haven't spent a great deal of time working on Austria, since he doesn't
matter.  There are realistically two things that can happen right now:
if you and France combine to hit England, the game lasts til next year
and *maybe* I get a 2-way with England, or maybe he still soloes.  Or,
you and France don't hit England as described above, in which case he
wins right now.

> I mean, it all comes down to how the following orders resolve, and I don't
> remember how the ships-passing rule works:
> 
> AUSTRIA A WAR -> MOS
> TURKEY A UKR SUPP A WAR -> MOS
> TURKEY A SEV SUPP A WAR -> MOS
> RUSSIA A MOS -> WAR
> RUSSIA A SIL SUPP A MOS -> WAR

(you mean ENGLAND, of course).  The Austrian attack would take Moscow in
this scenario, but that's not what I proposed and Austria didn't bring
it up; and it's really too late to coordinate much at this point. :)

--TGSotOE

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In fact, I'm sticking with my moves as previously submitted, what the
hell.

Quoth Don Blaheta:
> Assuming none of AIF takes any centres this season, it should end this
> round anyway, so we might as well play it out.  I still have at least a
> remote chance at a two-way, though, if I can talk any of them into
> supporting me (or rather, attacking England).
> 
> 
> A ukr S a sev -> mos
> a sev -> mos
> 
> f ion -> tun
> f tyn -> rom
> a rom -> ven
> f aeg -> ion
> f bla -> con
> 
> a alb -> tri
> a rum -> bud
> a ser s a rum -> bud
> 
> 
> -- 
> -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=-<http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/>-=-
> I may look lazy, but on a cellular level I'm really busy.

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